Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee
Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: FYI, Anne van Kesteren was just invited to join the WHATWG membership (as defined by our charter, basically that's the small group of people whom I have to answer to in my role as editor). He was invited due to his long involvement in the WHATWG. This oversight group doesn't do much and this won't really change anything; basically the group is there to make sure I don't become evil and biased somehow, and to help direct the group should we decide to take on some new project. Does the committee have a mailing list? Where do they discuss things? Any papertrail? There's no public accountability for this group, no. It's roughly equivalent to W3C staff, except that it is not a paid position. W3C staff report through a variety of documented means to their stakeholders (including at regular events, Web Conference, TPs etc), they have named and documented roles grounded in the W3C Process, a class of document for airing their proposals to the wider community (Team notes) as well as strong internal-transparency via extensive internal email, cvs and irc logging so that new team-members can have access to previous discussions. Is this the equivalence you have in mind? W3C staff as a group culture (nothing personal here; I was one myself years) also have a tendency to be a little over-secretive, insular, and too often slip into thinking of themselves as having to heroically figure out what to do internally before presenting an external opinion. Get a tight-knit, smart and distributed group of people together with a sense of mission, and that's a hard trait to avoid. I hope you'll lean towards the public accountability side of things here. See also: http://www.whatwg.org/charter Thanks, interesting. Is a version history and change-log available, beyond what can be discerned from http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.whatwg.org/charter ? From the outside it is hard to understand how the charter has evolved over time. cheers, Dan -- http://danbri.org/
Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: There's no public accountability for this group, no. It's roughly equivalent to W3C staff, except that it is not a paid position. W3C staff report through a variety of documented means to their stakeholders (including at regular events, Web Conference, TPs etc), they have named and documented roles grounded in the W3C Process, a class of document for airing their proposals to the wider community (Team notes) as well as strong internal-transparency via extensive internal email, cvs and irc logging so that new team-members can have access to previous discussions. Everything that the WHATWG members do and decide is conveyed to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. In the past two years, all they have done is agreed to invite Anne to their group, which was immediately conveyed to the list. See also: http://www.whatwg.org/charter Thanks, interesting. Is a version history and change-log available, beyond what can be discerned from http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.whatwg.org/charter ? From the outside it is hard to understand how the charter has evolved over time. The document was created in early 2004 with the announcement of the WHATWG. Dean Edwards was invited in June 2004. Anne was added a few days ago. That's all. (The other changes were to the markup of the header, or adding links to translations, etc.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee
Hi Ian, Ian Hickson wrote: FYI, Anne van Kesteren was just invited to join the WHATWG membership (as defined by our charter, basically that's the small group of people whom I have to answer to in my role as editor). He was invited due to his long involvement in the WHATWG. This oversight group doesn't do much and this won't really change anything; basically the group is there to make sure I don't become evil and biased somehow, and to help direct the group should we decide to take on some new project. Does the committee have a mailing list? Where do they discuss things? Any papertrail? cheers, Dan -- http://danbri.org/
Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: FYI, Anne van Kesteren was just invited to join the WHATWG membership (as defined by our charter, basically that's the small group of people whom I have to answer to in my role as editor). He was invited due to his long involvement in the WHATWG. This oversight group doesn't do much and this won't really change anything; basically the group is there to make sure I don't become evil and biased somehow, and to help direct the group should we decide to take on some new project. Does the committee have a mailing list? Where do they discuss things? Any papertrail? There's no public accountability for this group, no. It's roughly equivalent to W3C staff, except that it is not a paid position. See also: http://www.whatwg.org/charter -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee
Le 31 mars 2008 à 10:43, Ian Hickson a écrit : There's no public accountability for this group, no. It's roughly equivalent to W3C staff, except that it is not a paid position. If you really want your metaphor flies… You could have said it's roughly equivalent to W3C Members of Advisory Committee, or Members of Advisory Board. That's all. W3C staff is tied by a work contract and a process. -- Karl Dubost - W3C http://www.w3.org/QA/ Be Strict To Be Cool
[whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee
FYI, Anne van Kesteren was just invited to join the WHATWG membership (as defined by our charter, basically that's the small group of people whom I have to answer to in my role as editor). He was invited due to his long involvement in the WHATWG. This oversight group doesn't do much and this won't really change anything; basically the group is there to make sure I don't become evil and biased somehow, and to help direct the group should we decide to take on some new project. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
