Re: [whatwg] Canvas ScrollBar

2012-01-27 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Bronislav Klu�~Mka wrote:

 Would it be possible to extend canvas specification to include scroll 
 bar functionality? To add scroll bar, to manage scroll bar (total size, 
 page size). Creating control based on canvas that needs scrollbar at 
 this point is unnecessarily difficult at this point.

It is expected that the component model feature being discussed in the 
public-weba...@w3.org mailing list will be how you make widgets on the 
platform. 

You wouldn't want to put the scrollbar in the canvas itself, since then it 
wouldn't follow platform native conventions, for example. Instead, you 
would create a widget which uses overflow:scroll with an element of the 
right height or width to create scrollbars, and then you would react to 
scroll events to repaint the canvas.


On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Bronislav Klu�~Mka wrote:
 
 b) how about creating user controls using canvas? (rich controls are 
 better doing this way, one has pixel perfect control, full browser 
 compatibility) like document viewer, rich listview/treeview control...

Generally speaking, canvas isn't intended for anything but the simplest of 
interactive controls.

HTH,
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Re: [whatwg] Canvas ScrollBar

2012-01-27 Thread Bronislav Klučka



On 27.1.2012 20:02, Ian Hickson wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Bronislav Klu�~Mka wrote:

Would it be possible to extend canvas specification to include scroll
bar functionality? To add scroll bar, to manage scroll bar (total size,
page size). Creating control based on canvas that needs scrollbar at
this point is unnecessarily difficult at this point.

It is expected that the component model feature being discussed in the
public-weba...@w3.org mailing list will be how you make widgets on the
platform.

You wouldn't want to put the scrollbar in the canvas itself, since then it
wouldn't follow platform native conventions, for example. Instead, you
would create a widget which uses overflow:scroll with an element of the
right height or width to create scrollbars, and then you would react to
scroll events to repaint the canvas.
How does scrollbar on div, p, textarea etc. follow platform native 
conventions but scroll bar on canvas would not?


On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Bronislav Klu�~Mka wrote:

b) how about creating user controls using canvas? (rich controls are
better doing this way, one has pixel perfect control, full browser
compatibility) like document viewer, rich listview/treeview control...

Generally speaking, canvas isn't intended for anything but the simplest of
interactive controls.

HTH,
Generally speaking, widgets are intended to be HTML container, which 
makes them far inferior to possibilities of canvas... simpler, but 
inferior (as is any HTML container at this point).


Brona



[whatwg] Canvas ScrollBar

2011-10-20 Thread Bronislav Klučka

Hello,
Would it be possible to extend canvas specification to include scroll 
bar functionality? To add scroll bar, to manage scroll bar (total size, 
page size). Creating control based on canvas that needs scrollbar at 
this point is unnecessarily difficult at this point.



Brona Klucka


Re: [whatwg] Canvas ScrollBar

2011-10-20 Thread João Eiras
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:14:12 +0200, Bronislav Klučka  
bronislav.klu...@bauglir.com wrote:



Hello,
Would it be possible to extend canvas specification to include scroll  
bar functionality? To add scroll bar, to manage scroll bar (total size,  
page size). Creating control based on canvas that needs scrollbar at  
this point is unnecessarily difficult at this point.



Brona Klucka


Which is your use case ?

It doesn't make any sense at all to me to have scrollbars in a canvas.  
However, if you need scrolling, you can wrap the canvas with an element  
with specified dimensions and overflow:auto.


Re: [whatwg] Canvas ScrollBar

2011-10-20 Thread Bronislav Klučka



On 20.10.2011 14:35, João Eiras wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:14:12 +0200, Bronislav Klučka 
bronislav.klu...@bauglir.com wrote:



Hello,
Would it be possible to extend canvas specification to include scroll 
bar functionality? To add scroll bar, to manage scroll bar (total 
size, page size). Creating control based on canvas that needs 
scrollbar at this point is unnecessarily difficult at this point.



Brona Klucka


Which is your use case ?

It doesn't make any sense at all to me to have scrollbars in a canvas. 
However, if you need scrolling, you can wrap the canvas with an 
element with specified dimensions and overflow:auto.


Hi,
1/ your solution is very wrong solution could you imagine canvas 
10x10px? well not possible, only solution is to create smaller 
canvas, wrap it into overflow auto div with inner div and then compute 
the dimension of whole image with javascript and transfer it to inner 
div dimensions (so scrollbars would match) and listen to onScroll event 
of outer div, and  repaint the image with shifted origin


2/ use cases?
a)
diagram modeller
http://www.webnt.cz/demos/033_canvas_diagram/
what if I have some large diagram?

b) how about creating user controls using canvas? (rich controls are 
better doing this way, one has pixel perfect control, full browser 
compatibility) like document viewer, rich listview/treeview control...


Brona Klucka