Re: [Wicket-user] Creating Entire Forms in Java Code Only?
I started this thread because I wish Wicket would support the following feature. I wish that each form or form element element had a default renderer and would render itself without needing to be embedded in some other html file. If layout is a problem - find a solution. I wish that Wicket had a higher level of componentry which could be directed purely and simply by/in Java code alone. This was a how-to question - but perhaps now it is a feature request. Phil - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Creating Entire Forms in Java Code Only?
Thanks, Igor, for taking the effort to answer my question. I so understand
that one of the core vision statements is separation of concerns. I am
evaluating Click but haven't ruled out Wicket - just that some aspects of
Click seem less cumbersome because separation of concerns is not a priority
there - Click seems to suit what I need better than what Eelco had suggested
much earier: Echo.
Thanks for your time,
Phil
On 4/11/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i thought you were using Click?
anyways, what you want is possible, like ive mentioned, but is not the
primary focus of wicket. wicket is about separation of concerns. that means
letting the designers design the markup with all its pretty css and images,
rather then making developers try to reproduce that markup via layout
managers ala swing.
what you want is not our priority so it will probably never make it into
core project unless one of core developers writes it up and maintains it.
like i said take a look at bean panels, what you want is pretty simple to
achieve with a bit of work. let me give you a short example.
class textfieldpanel extends panel {
public textfieldpanel(string id, imodel model) {
super(id);
add(new textfield(tf, model));
}
}
wicket:panelinput wicket:id=tf type=text//wicket:panel
class checkboxpanel extends panel {
public checkboxpanel(string id, imodel model) {
super(id);
add(new checkbox(cb, model));
}
}
wicket:panelinput wicket:id=cb type=checkbox//wicket:panel
now in your page
Form form=new Form(form);
add(form);
RepeatingView items=new RepeatingView(items);
form.add(items);
items.add(new textfieldpanel(items.newchildid(), ..));
items.add(new checkboxpanel(items.newchildid(), ..));
and in markup
form wicket:id=formspan wicket:id=items/span/form
that is pretty close to what you want. you can then start adding labels to
your checkbox/textfield panels to add labels, etc
-igor
On 4/11/07, Philip Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I started this thread because I wish Wicket would support the following
feature.
I wish that each form or form element element had a default renderer and
would render itself without needing to be embedded in some other html file.
If layout is a problem - find a solution. I wish that Wicket had a higher
level of componentry which could be directed purely and simply by/in Java
code alone. This was a how-to question - but perhaps now it is a feature
request.
Phil
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Re: [Wicket-user] Creating Entire Forms in Java Code Only?
Inlined...
On 4/11/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wish that each form or form element element had a default renderer and
would render itself without needing to be embedded in some other html
file.
Yep, gotcha.
If layout is a problem - find a solution.
It isn't a problem. It's a core assumption that Wicket works on
markup: 'enabling component-oriented, programmatic manipulation of
markup'.
I understand. I also understand Wicket's core vision includes separation of
concerns.
Also, since you think Click answers what you are looking for, I wonder
how this is so different?
Java:
Form form = new Form();
textField = new TextField(search);
form.add(textField);
Select typeSelect = new Select(type);
typeSelect.addAll(new String[] {ID, Name, Age});
typeSelect.setValue(Name);
form.add(typeSelect);
Html:
$form.startTag()
bCustomer/b ${form.fields.search}${form.fields.type}${form.fields.go}
$form.endTag()
I'll assume that the $ signs are Velocity tags and you are refering to
Click. Yes, Click does integrate Velocity tags - but for the most part you
won't have to use them. If you create a form for example in Click, it
renders the entire form and its components for you and layout is
customizable via a set of flags and via CSS. Everything is coded in Java,
has default renders, and is customizable.
Besides whether that's better than how Wicket does it or not, you
really are referring to those components in HTML right?
To some extent perhaps. But the title of this thread is Creating Entire
Forms in Java Code Only? Click does create and render all forms in code
(without Velocity) using default rendering which is customizable. Perhaps
Click just needs more configurability is its layout component for general
use. Click also renders table automatically. Click also supports Panels.
I recommended Echo (and GWT if you like) as there you work with layout
managers rather than with markup. I thought that's what you wanted
being a Swing guy. So I was surpised to learn you thought about Click
now (though there's nothing wrong with that of course).
I don't mind working with HTML markup. But object-oriented programming
languages like Java can allow us to abstract away from the tedium and
cumbersomeness of rendering html; e.g. encapsulation.
If you mean that you prefer components to directly spit out HTML,
that's very easy with Wicket, just like:
protected void onComponentTagBody(MarkupStream markupStream,
ComponentTag openTag) {
getResponse().write(foobarudududud/bar/foo);
}
etc. But like we stated before, this wouldn't be the recommended way
of working with Wicket. More of a break out option and optimization.
I understand. Thanks. One of Rail's mantra is convention over configuration.
Being able to render default HTML for common types of controls seems
conventional - it seems less cumbersome. I am not disrespecting Wicket - I
appreciate Wicket but I wish that it were less cumbersome to use for UI
programmers.
Eelco
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Re: [Wicket-user] Creating Entire Forms in Java Code Only?
After 40+ hours of more research, I did indeed find my style of coding - and it clicks. Page-based, component-based, object-oriented web interfaces driven by Java code with automatic html rendering. http://click.sourceforge.net/ Phil On 4/8/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like Echo is more your style of coding. See http://www.nextapp.com/ Eelco - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Help Me Improve Wicket Quickstart
The difficulty I faced was perhaps more of a documentation issue. It seems like the QuickStart documentation assumes that the user is using IDEA, Eclipse, or NetBeans and also assumes that the user is already has Maven installed. The only reference I have found so far to Maven in in the change log page. So IMO the documentation basically needs another document on how to build and run the QuickStart from Ant or Maven using any IDE. More users are likely to have Ant installed than Maven I would guess. The Ant build file which is already included just needs an execute target with java command - that's what I do. But regardless, the QuickStart docs need a generic setup document which does not assume that Maven is installed. On 4/7/07, Gwyn Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Philip, Saturday, April 7, 2007, 1:24:33 AM, you wrote: In summary, the intent of the QuickStart with a bundled Jetty is fabulous. However, I feel that it falls short by only offering means to run the project using NetBeans, IDEA, or Eclipse. And I think this is a little disappointing. I happen to use jEdit - so I think it's a little annoying that the QuickStart doesn't have generic instructions or, say, a java target immediately in the build file. Well, isn't that just what mvn jetty:run gives you? :-) We're open to patches if you feel that the Ant script could be extended though, but as far as the IDEs go, they're not one's that we're explictly decided upon, just the ones that there are Maven plugins for (that we're aware of) that generate the respective IDE-specific project files. -- Best regards, Gwynmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
[Wicket-user] Help Me Improve Wicket Quickstart
Can anyone send me pointers for setting up quickstart manually? (scripts, build file w/ exec, etc) Who to talk to to create a generic quickstart setup document? I am interested in helping to improve the Quickstart download. I would be more pleased if the quickstart first presented a generic quickstart with NetBeans, Idea, and Eclipse as additional setups. The QuickStart should at the least illustrate how to get Wicket up and running manually (script for lauching, etc) I can set all of this up myself but help will make it quicker and more pleasing. :-) Thanks. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Help Me Improve Wicket Quickstart
In summary, the intent of the QuickStart with a bundled Jetty is fabulous. However, I feel that it falls short by only offering means to run the project using NetBeans, IDEA, or Eclipse. And I think this is a little disappointing. I happen to use jEdit - so I think it's a little annoying that the QuickStart doesn't have generic instructions or, say, a java target immediately in the build file. Just one of the selling points of Wicket that attracts me is no XML/configuration files. This QuickStart has several and none of them are generic enough to run the QuickStart from the ant build file using java. I even consider Ant to use XML configuration files and I think Ant should die. Hehe. I'll work all of this out and will add to the wiki. Let me know if anyone can send me anything to help me out. I hate ant and I hate configuring stuff - just want to play with Wicket. Thanks, Phil On 4/6/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in quickstart you can do mvn eclipse:eclipse to generate an eclipse project, or mvn idea:idea for idea. you can writeup a document on the wiki, and if we all like it we can export it into quickstart's readme or something like that -igor On 4/6/07, Philip Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone send me pointers for setting up quickstart manually? (scripts, build file w/ exec, etc) Who to talk to to create a generic quickstart setup document? I am interested in helping to improve the Quickstart download. I would be more pleased if the quickstart first presented a generic quickstartwith NetBeans, Idea, and Eclipse as additional setups. The QuickStart should at the least illustrate how to get Wicket up and running manually (script for lauching, etc) I can set all of this up myself but help will make it quicker and more pleasing. :-) Thanks. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Help Me Improve Wicket Quickstart
Basically, would be nice if instructions as simple as the following were
part of the build file:
target name=execute
java classname=wicket.quickstart.Start fork=true
failonerror=true maxmemory=128m classpathref=build.classpath
classpath
path refid=build.classpath/path
pathelement path=${build.main.classes}/pathelement
/classpath
/java
/target
I'll see if I can add something to the wiki - but I want to play now.
On 4/6/07, Philip Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In summary, the intent of the QuickStart with a bundled Jetty is fabulous.
However, I feel that it falls short by only offering means to run the
project using NetBeans, IDEA, or Eclipse. And I think this is a little
disappointing. I happen to use jEdit - so I think it's a little annoying
that the QuickStart doesn't have generic instructions or, say, a java
target immediately in the build file. Just one of the selling points of
Wicket that attracts me is no XML/configuration files. This QuickStart has
several and none of them are generic enough to run the QuickStart from the
ant build file using java. I even consider Ant to use XML configuration
files and I think Ant should die. Hehe.
I'll work all of this out and will add to the wiki. Let me know if anyone
can send me anything to help me out. I hate ant and I hate configuring stuff
- just want to play with Wicket.
Thanks,
Phil
On 4/6/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in quickstart you can do mvn eclipse:eclipse to generate an eclipse
project, or mvn idea:idea for idea.
you can writeup a document on the wiki, and if we all like it we can
export it into quickstart's readme or something like that
-igor
On 4/6/07, Philip Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone send me pointers for setting up quickstart manually?
(scripts, build file w/ exec, etc)
Who to talk to to create a generic quickstart setup document?
I am interested in helping to improve the Quickstart download. I would
be more pleased if the quickstart first presented a generic quickstartwith
NetBeans, Idea, and Eclipse as additional setups. The QuickStart should
at the least illustrate how to get Wicket up and running manually (script
for lauching, etc)
I can set all of this up myself but help will make it quicker and more
pleasing. :-)
Thanks.
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