Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-02 Thread Timo Stamm

Vincent Jenks schrieb:

It's very useful, however, it's also lacking quite a bit of
information. The Wiki and the Javadoc doesn't get you as far as you'd
hope, as a newbie.


That's bad.

I think that Javadocs are perfect as a reference. In combination with 
various tutorials to get started, that's all I need to get things done. 
It should be the same with Wicket. The Javadocs are quite good, but 
maybe the tutorials aren't good enough.


I can't speak for the wicket committers, but in my opinion users should 
be encouraged to write down as much as possible in the wiki, even if the 
quality is not perfect. Other people can (and will, in my experience) 
improve it and remove redundant or false information.



Timo



I use the Wiki, search the mailing list, and then post when I run out
of options for info.

Anyhow, everything is improving daily...including the wiki.

On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Vincent Jenks schrieb:
 Yes, the developers are *insanely* helpful and patient. ;)  Without
 this list I'm not sure I would have been able to use Wicket for long,
 to be perfectly honest.

Try the Wiki! wasn't ment as Try the Wiki because the devs have
better things to do, it was ment as Try the Wiki because it's become
damn useful!


Timo


 On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rivka Shisman schrieb:
  A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary :-)

 Try the Wiki! http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk

 There is nice guide for beginners that should get you started:
 http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Newuserguide

 Then there is the reference library with information and howtos on 
a lot
 of topics: 
http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Reference_library



 Timo


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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-02 Thread Timo Stamm

Eelco Hillenius schrieb:

Yeah, especially the component reference should be helpfull. We all
put a lot of effort in that! :)


Yes, I always look into the example project first to see how a component 
should be used. It's very helpful.


Replacing these examples with tutorials in the wiki would be a lot of 
work, especially keeping them up to date. But they would certainly get 
more attention and it would be a lot easier to refer and link to them 
from other articles.



Timo


On 5/1/06, Gwyn Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One thing that often gets overlooked is the wicket-examples
module/project, which is either available as a download
(http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=119783package_id=138752) 


 or live at http://www.wicket-library.com/wicket-examples/, although
the live is based on the last major release, rather than the 1.2 at
the moment.  It's got working examples of all sorts of things,
though...

/Gwyn

On 01/05/06, Vincent Jenks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have to agree.  What would be nice, if possible, is a small example
 code snippet in the Javadoc for each object.  However, some may feel
 that code doesn't belong in there at all and should be in the wiki
 instead.

 Personally, I like example code too but small examples don't always
 fully illustrate some conceptsthat's there the wiki comes in.

 On 5/1/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Due to the lack of time most of us have here, we need to make 
choices.

  I think the WIKI is great for getting the contributions from the
  community itself, though the core devs - especially Gwyn - regularly
  update it too. But it's really great to see more people are helping
  out and writing items on the WIKI.
 
  I try to focus on examples personally. Everyone has a different 
way of

  learning; I find examples always really useful, and it has the
  additional advantage of functioning as proof-of-concept/ test code a
  lot of times.
 
  Just my 2c,
 
  Eelco
 
 
  On 5/1/06, Vincent Jenks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It's very useful, however, it's also lacking quite a bit of
   information.  The Wiki and the Javadoc doesn't get you as far as 
you'd

   hope, as a newbie.
  
   I use the Wiki, search the mailing list, and then post when I 
run out

   of options for info.
  
   Anyhow, everything is improving daily...including the wiki.
  
   On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vincent Jenks schrieb:
 Yes, the developers are *insanely* helpful and patient. ;)  
Without
 this list I'm not sure I would have been able to use Wicket 
for long,

 to be perfectly honest.
   
Try the Wiki! wasn't ment as Try the Wiki because the devs 
have
better things to do, it was ment as Try the Wiki because 
it's become

damn useful!
   
   
Timo
   
   
 On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rivka Shisman schrieb:
  A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary :-)

 Try the Wiki! http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk

 There is nice guide for beginners that should get you started:
 http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Newuserguide

 Then there is the reference library with information and 
howtos on a lot
 of topics: 
http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Reference_library



 Timo




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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-02 Thread Eelco Hillenius

I can't speak for the wicket committers, but in my opinion users should
be encouraged to write down as much as possible in the wiki, even if the
quality is not perfect. Other people can (and will, in my experience)
improve it and remove redundant or false information.


Exactly :)

Eelco


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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-01 Thread Alexandru Popescu

Afaik two of the main developers are currently working on a Wicket in
Action book. I don't know anything about schedules, but I guess they
were quite busy lately to push the 1.2 out the door.

hth,

./alex
--
.w( the_mindstorm )p.


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Hello all,



Is there a book on Wicket? If not – is there a plan for such a book?

A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary J



Thanks

Rivka





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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-01 Thread Eelco Hillenius

Yeah, Martijn and me are working on Wicket In Action (Manning). It'll
be a few months; it's a lot of work and I found that you really have
to have inspiration days for writing.

Anyway, working on it. Until then, please use this list, the IRC
channel, the WIKI and whatever other means we have for communicating
when you have questions.

Cheers,

Eelco


On 5/1/06, Alexandru Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Afaik two of the main developers are currently working on a Wicket in
Action book. I don't know anything about schedules, but I guess they
were quite busy lately to push the 1.2 out the door.

hth,

./alex
--
.w( the_mindstorm )p.


On 5/1/06, Rivka Shisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Hello all,



 Is there a book on Wicket? If not – is there a plan for such a book?

 A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary J



 Thanks

 Rivka




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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-01 Thread Vincent Jenks

Yes, the developers are *insanely* helpful and patient. ;)  Without
this list I'm not sure I would have been able to use Wicket for long,
to be perfectly honest.

On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rivka Shisman schrieb:
 A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary :-)

Try the Wiki! http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk

There is nice guide for beginners that should get you started:
http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Newuserguide

Then there is the reference library with information and howtos on a lot
of topics: http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Reference_library


Timo


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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-01 Thread Timo Stamm

Vincent Jenks schrieb:

Yes, the developers are *insanely* helpful and patient. ;)  Without
this list I'm not sure I would have been able to use Wicket for long,
to be perfectly honest.


Try the Wiki! wasn't ment as Try the Wiki because the devs have 
better things to do, it was ment as Try the Wiki because it's become 
damn useful!



Timo



On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rivka Shisman schrieb:
 A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary :-)

Try the Wiki! http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk

There is nice guide for beginners that should get you started:
http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Newuserguide

Then there is the reference library with information and howtos on a lot
of topics: http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Reference_library


Timo


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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-01 Thread Vincent Jenks

It's very useful, however, it's also lacking quite a bit of
information.  The Wiki and the Javadoc doesn't get you as far as you'd
hope, as a newbie.

I use the Wiki, search the mailing list, and then post when I run out
of options for info.

Anyhow, everything is improving daily...including the wiki.

On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Vincent Jenks schrieb:
 Yes, the developers are *insanely* helpful and patient. ;)  Without
 this list I'm not sure I would have been able to use Wicket for long,
 to be perfectly honest.

Try the Wiki! wasn't ment as Try the Wiki because the devs have
better things to do, it was ment as Try the Wiki because it's become
damn useful!


Timo


 On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rivka Shisman schrieb:
  A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary :-)

 Try the Wiki! http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk

 There is nice guide for beginners that should get you started:
 http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Newuserguide

 Then there is the reference library with information and howtos on a lot
 of topics: http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Reference_library


 Timo


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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-01 Thread Eelco Hillenius

Due to the lack of time most of us have here, we need to make choices.
I think the WIKI is great for getting the contributions from the
community itself, though the core devs - especially Gwyn - regularly
update it too. But it's really great to see more people are helping
out and writing items on the WIKI.

I try to focus on examples personally. Everyone has a different way of
learning; I find examples always really useful, and it has the
additional advantage of functioning as proof-of-concept/ test code a 
lot of times.


Just my 2c,

Eelco


On 5/1/06, Vincent Jenks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's very useful, however, it's also lacking quite a bit of
information.  The Wiki and the Javadoc doesn't get you as far as you'd
hope, as a newbie.

I use the Wiki, search the mailing list, and then post when I run out
of options for info.

Anyhow, everything is improving daily...including the wiki.

On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Vincent Jenks schrieb:
  Yes, the developers are *insanely* helpful and patient. ;)  Without
  this list I'm not sure I would have been able to use Wicket for long,
  to be perfectly honest.

 Try the Wiki! wasn't ment as Try the Wiki because the devs have
 better things to do, it was ment as Try the Wiki because it's become
 damn useful!


 Timo


  On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rivka Shisman schrieb:
   A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary :-)
 
  Try the Wiki! http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk
 
  There is nice guide for beginners that should get you started:
  http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Newuserguide
 
  Then there is the reference library with information and howtos on a lot
  of topics: http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Reference_library
 
 
  Timo
 
 
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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-01 Thread Gwyn Evans

One thing that often gets overlooked is the wicket-examples
module/project, which is either available as a download
(http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=119783package_id=138752)
or live at http://www.wicket-library.com/wicket-examples/, although
the live is based on the last major release, rather than the 1.2 at
the moment.  It's got working examples of all sorts of things,
though...

/Gwyn

On 01/05/06, Vincent Jenks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have to agree.  What would be nice, if possible, is a small example
code snippet in the Javadoc for each object.  However, some may feel
that code doesn't belong in there at all and should be in the wiki
instead.

Personally, I like example code too but small examples don't always
fully illustrate some conceptsthat's there the wiki comes in.

On 5/1/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Due to the lack of time most of us have here, we need to make choices.
 I think the WIKI is great for getting the contributions from the
 community itself, though the core devs - especially Gwyn - regularly
 update it too. But it's really great to see more people are helping
 out and writing items on the WIKI.

 I try to focus on examples personally. Everyone has a different way of
 learning; I find examples always really useful, and it has the
 additional advantage of functioning as proof-of-concept/ test code a
 lot of times.

 Just my 2c,

 Eelco


 On 5/1/06, Vincent Jenks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's very useful, however, it's also lacking quite a bit of
  information.  The Wiki and the Javadoc doesn't get you as far as you'd
  hope, as a newbie.
 
  I use the Wiki, search the mailing list, and then post when I run out
  of options for info.
 
  Anyhow, everything is improving daily...including the wiki.
 
  On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Vincent Jenks schrieb:
Yes, the developers are *insanely* helpful and patient. ;)  Without
this list I'm not sure I would have been able to use Wicket for long,
to be perfectly honest.
  
   Try the Wiki! wasn't ment as Try the Wiki because the devs have
   better things to do, it was ment as Try the Wiki because it's become
   damn useful!
  
  
   Timo
  
  
On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rivka Shisman schrieb:
 A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary :-)
   
Try the Wiki! http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk
   
There is nice guide for beginners that should get you started:
http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Newuserguide
   
Then there is the reference library with information and howtos on a 
lot
of topics: 
http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Reference_library
   
   
Timo
   
   



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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book

2006-05-01 Thread Eelco Hillenius

Yeah, especially the component reference should be helpfull. We all
put a lot of effort in that! :)

Eelco

On 5/1/06, Gwyn Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One thing that often gets overlooked is the wicket-examples
module/project, which is either available as a download
(http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=119783package_id=138752)
 or live at http://www.wicket-library.com/wicket-examples/, although
the live is based on the last major release, rather than the 1.2 at
the moment.  It's got working examples of all sorts of things,
though...

/Gwyn

On 01/05/06, Vincent Jenks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have to agree.  What would be nice, if possible, is a small example
 code snippet in the Javadoc for each object.  However, some may feel
 that code doesn't belong in there at all and should be in the wiki
 instead.

 Personally, I like example code too but small examples don't always
 fully illustrate some conceptsthat's there the wiki comes in.

 On 5/1/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Due to the lack of time most of us have here, we need to make choices.
  I think the WIKI is great for getting the contributions from the
  community itself, though the core devs - especially Gwyn - regularly
  update it too. But it's really great to see more people are helping
  out and writing items on the WIKI.
 
  I try to focus on examples personally. Everyone has a different way of
  learning; I find examples always really useful, and it has the
  additional advantage of functioning as proof-of-concept/ test code a
  lot of times.
 
  Just my 2c,
 
  Eelco
 
 
  On 5/1/06, Vincent Jenks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It's very useful, however, it's also lacking quite a bit of
   information.  The Wiki and the Javadoc doesn't get you as far as you'd
   hope, as a newbie.
  
   I use the Wiki, search the mailing list, and then post when I run out
   of options for info.
  
   Anyhow, everything is improving daily...including the wiki.
  
   On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vincent Jenks schrieb:
 Yes, the developers are *insanely* helpful and patient. ;)  Without
 this list I'm not sure I would have been able to use Wicket for long,
 to be perfectly honest.
   
Try the Wiki! wasn't ment as Try the Wiki because the devs have
better things to do, it was ment as Try the Wiki because it's become
damn useful!
   
   
Timo
   
   
 On 5/1/06, Timo Stamm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rivka Shisman schrieb:
  A good book with examples and recipes is quite necessary :-)

 Try the Wiki! http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk

 There is nice guide for beginners that should get you started:
 http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Newuserguide

 Then there is the reference library with information and howtos on a 
lot
 of topics: 
http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Reference_library


 Timo




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[Wicket-user] Wicket book?

2005-12-20 Thread Christopher Dodunski
Hi,

As a new comer, I was wondering if there was an existing text on Wicket,
or one in the pipeline - Wicket In Action maybe?  Or is Wicket
considered to be so simple that there isn't a need?

Cheers,

Christopher.



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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book?

2005-12-20 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Yep. Martijn and I are working on Wicket In Action. And as a spin off,
we'd like to improve our normal documentation a bit too.

Eelco


On 12/20/05, Christopher Dodunski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 As a new comer, I was wondering if there was an existing text on Wicket,
 or one in the pipeline - Wicket In Action maybe?  Or is Wicket
 considered to be so simple that there isn't a need?

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 Christopher.



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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book?

2005-12-20 Thread Martijn Dashorst
And you can always look on the wiki, and on my blog (there are some chapters from the reference guide there).

Also, don't miss the component reference in the wicket-examples project
(see them here: http://www.wicket-library.com/wicket-examples/compref)

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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket book?

2005-12-20 Thread Johan Compagner
Or is Wicket considered to be so simple that there isn't a need?
Exactly! :)johan