Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-13 Thread Gwyn Evans
The problem is that without some idea of the context, 'big' doesn't
mean anything - Are we talking about something like Amazon, Google,
MSN or Yahoo, for instance?  I doubt Wicket would be a good match for
that sort of big, but for lesser values of big, then it's probably
as suitable as any other Java web app framework.

/Gwyn

On 13/03/07, Iman Rahmatizadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 huh ?!


 On 3/13/07, Michael Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big
  projects will be supported in wicket 3.0.
 
  On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Sazib wrote:
 
   Hi everybody,
   I just want to know, is wicket suitable for a big project?
  
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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-13 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Also: when I think about 'big' projects, I think about projects that
run for long time, have complex requirements and have a medium to
large sized team working collaborating on it. For such projects Wicket
is an excellent match due to reusability, separation of concerns, etc.

Eelco

On 3/13/07, Gwyn Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The problem is that without some idea of the context, 'big' doesn't
 mean anything - Are we talking about something like Amazon, Google,
 MSN or Yahoo, for instance?  I doubt Wicket would be a good match for
 that sort of big, but for lesser values of big, then it's probably
 as suitable as any other Java web app framework.

 /Gwyn

 On 13/03/07, Iman Rahmatizadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  huh ?!
 
 
  On 3/13/07, Michael Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big
   projects will be supported in wicket 3.0.
  
   On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Sazib wrote:
  
Hi everybody,
I just want to know, is wicket suitable for a big project?
   
Thanks
---
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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-13 Thread Upayavira
But, what if 'big' means Ebay, yahoo, etc?

If they came to you saying they wanted to build major public facing 
portions of their site in Wicket, would you warn them away?

Upayavira

Eelco Hillenius wrote:
 Also: when I think about 'big' projects, I think about projects that
 run for long time, have complex requirements and have a medium to
 large sized team working collaborating on it. For such projects Wicket
 is an excellent match due to reusability, separation of concerns, etc.
 
 Eelco
 
 On 3/13/07, Gwyn Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The problem is that without some idea of the context, 'big' doesn't
 mean anything - Are we talking about something like Amazon, Google,
 MSN or Yahoo, for instance?  I doubt Wicket would be a good match for
 that sort of big, but for lesser values of big, then it's probably
 as suitable as any other Java web app framework.

 /Gwyn

 On 13/03/07, Iman Rahmatizadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 huh ?!


 On 3/13/07, Michael Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big
 projects will be supported in wicket 3.0.

 On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Sazib wrote:

 Hi everybody,
 I just want to know, is wicket suitable for a big project?

 Thanks
 ---
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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-13 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I wouldn't, but sites on that scale would require you to do some
serious planning for scalability - whatever the technology you use.
There are many ways to scale up and out, but Wicket's reliance on
server side memory limits the options somewhat. There are stateless
pages, forms and links nowadays for Wicket, so you can strike that
worry if you are willing to live with a more restricted programming
model. But even stateful apps can be tweaked in many ways.

Eelco


On 3/13/07, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But, what if 'big' means Ebay, yahoo, etc?

 If they came to you saying they wanted to build major public facing
 portions of their site in Wicket, would you warn them away?

 Upayavira

 Eelco Hillenius wrote:
  Also: when I think about 'big' projects, I think about projects that
  run for long time, have complex requirements and have a medium to
  large sized team working collaborating on it. For such projects Wicket
  is an excellent match due to reusability, separation of concerns, etc.
 
  Eelco
 
  On 3/13/07, Gwyn Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The problem is that without some idea of the context, 'big' doesn't
  mean anything - Are we talking about something like Amazon, Google,
  MSN or Yahoo, for instance?  I doubt Wicket would be a good match for
  that sort of big, but for lesser values of big, then it's probably
  as suitable as any other Java web app framework.
 
  /Gwyn
 
  On 13/03/07, Iman Rahmatizadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  huh ?!
 
 
  On 3/13/07, Michael Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big
  projects will be supported in wicket 3.0.
 
  On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Sazib wrote:
 
  Hi everybody,
  I just want to know, is wicket suitable for a big project?
 
  Thanks
  ---
  Sazib
 
 
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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-13 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I wouldn't == no I would not warn them away. :)

On 3/13/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wouldn't, but sites on that scale would require you to do some
 serious planning for scalability - whatever the technology you use.
 There are many ways to scale up and out, but Wicket's reliance on
 server side memory limits the options somewhat. There are stateless
 pages, forms and links nowadays for Wicket, so you can strike that
 worry if you are willing to live with a more restricted programming
 model. But even stateful apps can be tweaked in many ways.

 Eelco


 On 3/13/07, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  But, what if 'big' means Ebay, yahoo, etc?
 
  If they came to you saying they wanted to build major public facing
  portions of their site in Wicket, would you warn them away?
 
  Upayavira
 
  Eelco Hillenius wrote:
   Also: when I think about 'big' projects, I think about projects that
   run for long time, have complex requirements and have a medium to
   large sized team working collaborating on it. For such projects Wicket
   is an excellent match due to reusability, separation of concerns, etc.
  
   Eelco
  
   On 3/13/07, Gwyn Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   The problem is that without some idea of the context, 'big' doesn't
   mean anything - Are we talking about something like Amazon, Google,
   MSN or Yahoo, for instance?  I doubt Wicket would be a good match for
   that sort of big, but for lesser values of big, then it's probably
   as suitable as any other Java web app framework.
  
   /Gwyn
  
   On 13/03/07, Iman Rahmatizadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   huh ?!
  
  
   On 3/13/07, Michael Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big
   projects will be supported in wicket 3.0.
  
   On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Sazib wrote:
  
   Hi everybody,
   I just want to know, is wicket suitable for a big project?
  
   Thanks
   ---
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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-13 Thread Jonathan Locke


Warn them away?  No.  I think it really comes down to doing a realistic
scaling test to estimate hardware resource usage and then using that to
estimate fixed and variable costs over the life of the project.  Wicket has
costs, but I think people tend to underestimate the cost of creating and
maintaining software.  

I'd say to Ebay, Yahoo, etc: I think Wicket may be a great match for you,
but you're about to spend millions on your project.  Don't expect pat
answers to an incredibly complex question from a mailing list.  Do the test
right (will definitely take some time and money to do that, but not months
or millions) and figure out the math.  If you've done a decent simulation,
you should know what ballpark you're in.  I think you should do this sort of
test with any web framework if you're Ebay or Yahoo.

   Jon


Upayavira-2 wrote:
 
 But, what if 'big' means Ebay, yahoo, etc?
 
 If they came to you saying they wanted to build major public facing 
 portions of their site in Wicket, would you warn them away?
 
 Upayavira
 
 Eelco Hillenius wrote:
 Also: when I think about 'big' projects, I think about projects that
 run for long time, have complex requirements and have a medium to
 large sized team working collaborating on it. For such projects Wicket
 is an excellent match due to reusability, separation of concerns, etc.
 
 Eelco
 
 On 3/13/07, Gwyn Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The problem is that without some idea of the context, 'big' doesn't
 mean anything - Are we talking about something like Amazon, Google,
 MSN or Yahoo, for instance?  I doubt Wicket would be a good match for
 that sort of big, but for lesser values of big, then it's probably
 as suitable as any other Java web app framework.

 /Gwyn

 On 13/03/07, Iman Rahmatizadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 huh ?!


 On 3/13/07, Michael Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big
 projects will be supported in wicket 3.0.

 On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Sazib wrote:

 Hi everybody,
 I just want to know, is wicket suitable for a big project?

 Thanks
 ---
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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-12 Thread Michael Day
No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big  
projects will be supported in wicket 3.0.

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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-12 Thread Igor Vaynberg

do tiny fall before or after extra small???

-igor


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No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big
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Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket for Bog Projects

2007-03-12 Thread Iman Rahmatizadeh

huh ?!

On 3/13/07, Michael Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


No, only extra small, small, medium, and medium-to-big projects.  Big
projects will be supported in wicket 3.0.

On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Sazib wrote:

 Hi everybody,
 I just want to know, is wicket suitable for a big project?

 Thanks
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