Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Peter Blaha]

Thanks for the information. I browsed through it and found the two 
possible options in the mailman config, where one can either "mung" or 
"wrap" the from-headers to circumvent the DMARC Policiy.


However, both methods have documented drawbacks, and I'm a bit afraid 
that by changing this setting, it may remove the unsubscribe problem for 
some of you, but on the other hand, some others will not see the mails 
at all or not in proper form ?


At the moment I'm monitoring the bounces and I've also increased the 
bounce level, so that unsubscribing should not happen so often (or a 
bounce reset will happen in between. After removing all "user not known" 
bounces, so far I get only one bounce, probably from an 
"Autoreply"-setting of this mail client ?? (I've informed this user in 
private).


If this does not help on the long run, I'll consider to use one of these 
problematic??? fixes, but as I said, after switching on the monitoring, 
there was no bounce for one of the addresses reporting frequent 
unsubscription.


Regards
Peter Blaha

1.02.2017 um 04:43 schrieb Gavin Abo:

As Prof. Marks mentioned, I also suspect that it is due to gmail [1] and
mail.ru [2] recently changing to a stricter DMARC Policy (i.e., from
p=none to p=reject).

The DMARC reject policy (p=reject) is known to be a problem that is not
easy for mailing list administrators to address [3], because it
currently seems that a choice has to be made among a list of imperfect
solutions that come with their own pros and cons [4].

For an administrator of a mailing list (Mailman), the possible solutions
listed on the webpage that should be accessible as follows might be of
interest:

1. Go to: https://wiki.list.org/
2. Click "List administrator tasks" (under FAQs in the left menu)
3. Find and click on "What can I do about members being unsubscribed by
bounces of Yahoo user's posts for DMARC policy reasons?"

[1]
https://dmarc.org/2015/10/global-mailbox-providers-deploying-dmarc-to-protect-users/

[2] https://team.mail.ru/why-mail-ru-implements-a-strict-dmarc-policy/
[3] https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC
[4]
https://dmarc.org/wiki/FAQ#I_operate_a_mailing_list_and_I_want_to_interoperate_with_DMARC.2C_what_should_I_do.3F

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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Gavin Abo]

As Prof. Marks mentioned, I also suspect that it is due to gmail [1] and 
mail.ru [2] recently changing to a stricter DMARC Policy (i.e., from 
p=none to p=reject).


The DMARC reject policy (p=reject) is known to be a problem that is not 
easy for mailing list administrators to address [3], because it 
currently seems that a choice has to be made among a list of imperfect 
solutions that come with their own pros and cons [4].


For an administrator of a mailing list (Mailman), the possible solutions 
listed on the webpage that should be accessible as follows might be of 
interest:


1. Go to: https://wiki.list.org/
2. Click "List administrator tasks" (under FAQs in the left menu)
3. Find and click on "What can I do about members being unsubscribed by 
bounces of Yahoo user's posts for DMARC policy reasons?"


[1] 
https://dmarc.org/2015/10/global-mailbox-providers-deploying-dmarc-to-protect-users/

[2] https://team.mail.ru/why-mail-ru-implements-a-strict-dmarc-policy/
[3] https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC
[4] 
https://dmarc.org/wiki/FAQ#I_operate_a_mailing_list_and_I_want_to_interoperate_with_DMARC.2C_what_should_I_do.3F

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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Lyudmila Dobysheva]

31.01.2017 13:16, Lyudmila Dobysheva wrote:

So bouncing is done at the level of mail.ru or closer to Wien.
And what is strange: ... I did not find any "excessive bounces". Though I must
admit that I was not very attentive in this


Well, now, in the archive, I've found one recent bounced letter which I 
did not receive:
[Wien] A probable bug in TELNES program Hajar Nejati hajar.nejatipoor at 
yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 10:31:24 CET 2017


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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Lyudmila Dobysheva]

30.01.2017 20:24, Laurence Marks wrote:

Do any of the people who are experiencing this use
.forward, or is there a .forward within the WIEN2k subscription checking
structure?
My understanding is that .forward is problematic


In my mail account I do not have any automatic forwarding. The letters 
simply lay somewhere at the mail.ru server, and program Mozilla 
Thunderbird every 15 minutes makes connection, checks letters, and loads 
new. So bouncing is done at the level of mail.ru or closer to Wien.


I have looked through deleted letters: during last month I had 2 
notifications 11 and 19 Jan 2017.


And what is strange: I had looked, after re-enabling the subscription, 
through the archive in order to see the letters that I missed (that were 
bounced), and I did not find any "excessive bounces". Though I must 
admit that I was not very attentive in this, but I remember I was 
surprised. I should have had 5 missed letters, yes?


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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Dr. K. C. Bhamu]

Yeah, I am also using gmail account and I got this notification many times.

Bhamu

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Peter Blaha 
wrote:

> Still it seems to happen mostly on gmail accounts ? (except Ludmilla).
>
> It is even more strange, since mailman "resets" your bounce index to zero,
> if there is no bounce for 7 days.
>
> At the moment I've doubled the bounce value, so it should happen less
> frequent and in addition there's more chance that your bounce-level gets
> reset. I also enabled mails from mailman to me, when a bounce is detected.
> However, I fear this will lead to too many mails and I will have to switch
> this off again.
>
>
> Am 30.01.2017 um 17:08 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:
>
>> Dear Prof. Blaha
>>
>> I have checked my spam inbox and no, none of the email that my gmail
>> account automatically archived as spam was coming from Wien2k, in THIS
>> last period.
>>
>> However, in the past sometimes it has happened , that's true, that I
>> have found some emails from Wien2k in the spam box (one, or two over
>> more than one hundred spam email).
>> But considering that I am lazy in empting my spam inbox, those one/two
>> emails over more than one hundred were corresponding to a period that
>> was spanning more than 3 weeks.
>>
>> So, strange that 5 or 10 bounces are generated in a period of 3 weeks
>> (which is the frequency with which I have to renew the membership).
>>
>> In any case, the problem is not only detected by those who have a gmail
>> account (lyudmila has mail.ru )
>>
>> Thanks for your attention
>> Fabiana
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-01-30 16:49 GMT+01:00 Luis Ogando > >:
>>
>> Dear Prof. Blaha,
>>
>>Unfortunately, I am facing the same problem described by Dr.
>> Fabiana Da Pieve.
>>Please, let me know if I can do anything to help.
>>All the best,
>>   Luis
>>
>>
>> 2017-01-30 13:34 GMT-02:00 Peter Blaha > >:
>>
>> I've nothing changed recently in the mailing list configuration,
>> so I don't know why this should now happen (except when your
>> mail system has changed e.g spam-processing, ...)
>>
>> It probably comes from   bounce processing, i.e. mailman cannot
>> send to your email addresses and gets a bounce back. After 5 (or
>> 10 days if it is a soft bounce) it will disable your membership
>> and just before, it will send you a warning.
>>
>> It may have to do with your specific email accounts ? maybe they
>> think it is spam ... ?
>>
>> Of course, I can increase the bounce level from 5 (up to 10),
>> but for sure I want to keep it, otherwise mailman will keep
>> outdated addresses forever and continues to send mails to them.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Am 30.01.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:
>>
>> Dear Wien2k developers
>>
>> I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and I
>> always read
>> with pleasure the emails of the different users, which
>> sometimes are
>> also useful for me.
>>
>> However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks)
>> an email to
>> confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not
>> do it soon my
>> membership is cancelled the very same day.
>>
>> I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
>> In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something
>> I can do to
>> avoid this ?
>>
>> Thank you very much for your attention
>> Fabiana Da Pieve
>>
>>
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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Peter Blaha]

After switching on the notification, I got 5 emails with bounce 
information. 4 of them because of "user not known", i.e. the email does 
not exist anymore and mailman should unsubscribe this mail after some time.
One concerns Laurence Marks with a strange "Autoreply" and the mail 
contains:




AutoReply: Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled 
every 3weeks.eml

Betreff:
AutoReply: Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled 
every 3weeks

Von:
"李青坤" 
Datum:
30.01.2017 17:24
An:
l-ma...@northwestern.edu




Am 30.01.2017 um 17:24 schrieb Laurence Marks:

I have a suspicion what this is, and it is something that I am
struggling with. Do any of the people who are experiencing this use
.forward, or is there a .forward within the WIEN2k subscription checking
structure?

The problem may be related to what is called DMARC policy, which breaks
the standard .forward structure. As an example of this, one of the
emails in this thread (from Lyudmilla I think) did not reach me. The
information I have is:

"Remote Server returned 'http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com> #5.7.1 SMTP; 550-5.7.1
Unauthenticated email from mail.ru  is not accepted due
to domain's>'"

(The above is truncated by the server at Northwestern.) I can find this
information at Northwestern's outlook webserver which I have configured
to forward to my gmail account.

My understanding is that when the email is forwarded by northwestern.edu
 to my (main) gmail account, it is an address
mail.ru  being sent by northwestern.edu
. Google checks with the DMARC policy of
mail.run to see if northwestern is allowed to send a mail.run email.
Since it is not, gmail rejects it.

My understanding is that .forward is problematic, and on its way out --
I have not heard of any way to repair/overcome this. If anyone does,
please let me know (although it is far from the topic of the list).

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Fabiana Da Pieve
> wrote:

Dear Prof. Blaha

I have checked my spam inbox and no, none of the email that my gmail
account automatically archived as spam was coming from Wien2k, in
THIS last period.

However, in the past sometimes it has happened , that's true, that I
have found some emails from Wien2k in the spam box (one, or two over
more than one hundred spam email).
But considering that I am lazy in empting my spam inbox, those
one/two emails over more than one hundred were corresponding to a
period that was spanning more than 3 weeks.

So, strange that 5 or 10 bounces are generated in a period of 3
weeks (which is the frequency with which I have to renew the
membership).

In any case, the problem is not only detected by those who have a
gmail account (lyudmila has mail.ru

)

Thanks for your attention
Fabiana



2017-01-30 16:49 GMT+01:00 Luis Ogando >:

Dear Prof. Blaha,

   Unfortunately, I am facing the same problem described by Dr.
Fabiana Da Pieve.
   Please, let me know if I can do anything to help.
   All the best,
  Luis


2017-01-30 13:34 GMT-02:00 Peter Blaha
>:

I've nothing changed recently in the mailing list
configuration, so I don't know why this should now happen
(except when your mail system has changed e.g
spam-processing, ...)

It probably comes from   bounce processing, i.e. mailman
cannot send to your email addresses and gets a bounce back.
After 5 (or 10 days if it is a soft bounce) it will disable
your membership and just before, it will send you a warning.

It may have to do with your specific email accounts ? maybe
they think it is spam ... ?

Of course, I can increase the bounce level from 5 (up to
10), but for sure I want to keep it, otherwise mailman will
keep outdated addresses forever and continues to send mails
to them.

Regards

Am 30.01.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:

Dear Wien2k developers

I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and
I always read
with pleasure the emails of the different users, which
sometimes are
also useful for me.

However, in the last period I get very often 

Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Peter Blaha]

Still it seems to happen mostly on gmail accounts ? (except Ludmilla).

It is even more strange, since mailman "resets" your bounce index to 
zero, if there is no bounce for 7 days.


At the moment I've doubled the bounce value, so it should happen less 
frequent and in addition there's more chance that your bounce-level gets 
reset. I also enabled mails from mailman to me, when a bounce is 
detected. However, I fear this will lead to too many mails and I will 
have to switch this off again.



Am 30.01.2017 um 17:08 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:

Dear Prof. Blaha

I have checked my spam inbox and no, none of the email that my gmail
account automatically archived as spam was coming from Wien2k, in THIS
last period.

However, in the past sometimes it has happened , that's true, that I
have found some emails from Wien2k in the spam box (one, or two over
more than one hundred spam email).
But considering that I am lazy in empting my spam inbox, those one/two
emails over more than one hundred were corresponding to a period that
was spanning more than 3 weeks.

So, strange that 5 or 10 bounces are generated in a period of 3 weeks
(which is the frequency with which I have to renew the membership).

In any case, the problem is not only detected by those who have a gmail
account (lyudmila has mail.ru )

Thanks for your attention
Fabiana



2017-01-30 16:49 GMT+01:00 Luis Ogando >:

Dear Prof. Blaha,

   Unfortunately, I am facing the same problem described by Dr.
Fabiana Da Pieve.
   Please, let me know if I can do anything to help.
   All the best,
  Luis


2017-01-30 13:34 GMT-02:00 Peter Blaha >:

I've nothing changed recently in the mailing list configuration,
so I don't know why this should now happen (except when your
mail system has changed e.g spam-processing, ...)

It probably comes from   bounce processing, i.e. mailman cannot
send to your email addresses and gets a bounce back. After 5 (or
10 days if it is a soft bounce) it will disable your membership
and just before, it will send you a warning.

It may have to do with your specific email accounts ? maybe they
think it is spam ... ?

Of course, I can increase the bounce level from 5 (up to 10),
but for sure I want to keep it, otherwise mailman will keep
outdated addresses forever and continues to send mails to them.

Regards

Am 30.01.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:

Dear Wien2k developers

I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and I
always read
with pleasure the emails of the different users, which
sometimes are
also useful for me.

However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks)
an email to
confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not
do it soon my
membership is cancelled the very same day.

I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something
I can do to
avoid this ?

Thank you very much for your attention
Fabiana Da Pieve




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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Laurence Marks]

I have a suspicion what this is, and it is something that I am struggling
with. Do any of the people who are experiencing this use .forward, or is
there a .forward within the WIEN2k subscription checking structure?

The problem may be related to what is called DMARC policy, which breaks the
standard .forward structure. As an example of this, one of the emails in
this thread (from Lyudmilla I think) did not reach me. The information I
have is:

"Remote Server returned ''"

(The above is truncated by the server at Northwestern.) I can find this
information at Northwestern's outlook webserver which I have configured to
forward to my gmail account.

My understanding is that when the email is forwarded by northwestern.edu to
my (main) gmail account, it is an address mail.ru being sent by
northwestern.edu. Google checks with the DMARC policy of mail.run to see if
northwestern is allowed to send a mail.run email. Since it is not, gmail
rejects it.

My understanding is that .forward is problematic, and on its way out -- I
have not heard of any way to repair/overcome this. If anyone does, please
let me know (although it is far from the topic of the list).

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Fabiana Da Pieve <
fabiana.dapi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Prof. Blaha
>
> I have checked my spam inbox and no, none of the email that my gmail
> account automatically archived as spam was coming from Wien2k, in THIS last
> period.
>
> However, in the past sometimes it has happened , that's true, that I have
> found some emails from Wien2k in the spam box (one, or two over more than
> one hundred spam email).
> But considering that I am lazy in empting my spam inbox, those one/two
> emails over more than one hundred were corresponding to a period that was
> spanning more than 3 weeks.
>
> So, strange that 5 or 10 bounces are generated in a period of 3 weeks
> (which is the frequency with which I have to renew the membership).
>
> In any case, the problem is not only detected by those who have a gmail
> account (lyudmila has mail.ru
> 
> )
>
> Thanks for your attention
> Fabiana
>
>
>
> 2017-01-30 16:49 GMT+01:00 Luis Ogando :
>
>> Dear Prof. Blaha,
>>
>>Unfortunately, I am facing the same problem described by Dr. Fabiana
>> Da Pieve.
>>Please, let me know if I can do anything to help.
>>All the best,
>>   Luis
>>
>>
>> 2017-01-30 13:34 GMT-02:00 Peter Blaha :
>>
>>> I've nothing changed recently in the mailing list configuration, so I
>>> don't know why this should now happen (except when your mail system has
>>> changed e.g spam-processing, ...)
>>>
>>> It probably comes from   bounce processing, i.e. mailman cannot send to
>>> your email addresses and gets a bounce back. After 5 (or 10 days if it is a
>>> soft bounce) it will disable your membership and just before, it will send
>>> you a warning.
>>>
>>> It may have to do with your specific email accounts ? maybe they think
>>> it is spam ... ?
>>>
>>> Of course, I can increase the bounce level from 5 (up to 10), but for
>>> sure I want to keep it, otherwise mailman will keep outdated addresses
>>> forever and continues to send mails to them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Am 30.01.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:
>>>
 Dear Wien2k developers

 I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and I always read
 with pleasure the emails of the different users, which sometimes are
 also useful for me.

 However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks) an email to
 confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not do it soon my
 membership is cancelled the very same day.

 I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
 In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something I can do to
 avoid this ?

 Thank you very much for your attention
 Fabiana Da Pieve




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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Fabiana Da Pieve]

Dear Prof. Blaha

I have checked my spam inbox and no, none of the email that my gmail
account automatically archived as spam was coming from Wien2k, in THIS last
period.

However, in the past sometimes it has happened , that's true, that I have
found some emails from Wien2k in the spam box (one, or two over more than
one hundred spam email).
But considering that I am lazy in empting my spam inbox, those one/two
emails over more than one hundred were corresponding to a period that was
spanning more than 3 weeks.

So, strange that 5 or 10 bounces are generated in a period of 3 weeks
(which is the frequency with which I have to renew the membership).

In any case, the problem is not only detected by those who have a gmail
account (lyudmila has mail.ru)

Thanks for your attention
Fabiana



2017-01-30 16:49 GMT+01:00 Luis Ogando :

> Dear Prof. Blaha,
>
>Unfortunately, I am facing the same problem described by Dr. Fabiana Da
> Pieve.
>Please, let me know if I can do anything to help.
>All the best,
>   Luis
>
>
> 2017-01-30 13:34 GMT-02:00 Peter Blaha :
>
>> I've nothing changed recently in the mailing list configuration, so I
>> don't know why this should now happen (except when your mail system has
>> changed e.g spam-processing, ...)
>>
>> It probably comes from   bounce processing, i.e. mailman cannot send to
>> your email addresses and gets a bounce back. After 5 (or 10 days if it is a
>> soft bounce) it will disable your membership and just before, it will send
>> you a warning.
>>
>> It may have to do with your specific email accounts ? maybe they think it
>> is spam ... ?
>>
>> Of course, I can increase the bounce level from 5 (up to 10), but for
>> sure I want to keep it, otherwise mailman will keep outdated addresses
>> forever and continues to send mails to them.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Am 30.01.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:
>>
>>> Dear Wien2k developers
>>>
>>> I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and I always read
>>> with pleasure the emails of the different users, which sometimes are
>>> also useful for me.
>>>
>>> However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks) an email to
>>> confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not do it soon my
>>> membership is cancelled the very same day.
>>>
>>> I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
>>> In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something I can do to
>>> avoid this ?
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your attention
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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Luis Ogando]

Dear Prof. Blaha,

   Unfortunately, I am facing the same problem described by Dr. Fabiana Da
Pieve.
   Please, let me know if I can do anything to help.
   All the best,
  Luis


2017-01-30 13:34 GMT-02:00 Peter Blaha :

> I've nothing changed recently in the mailing list configuration, so I
> don't know why this should now happen (except when your mail system has
> changed e.g spam-processing, ...)
>
> It probably comes from   bounce processing, i.e. mailman cannot send to
> your email addresses and gets a bounce back. After 5 (or 10 days if it is a
> soft bounce) it will disable your membership and just before, it will send
> you a warning.
>
> It may have to do with your specific email accounts ? maybe they think it
> is spam ... ?
>
> Of course, I can increase the bounce level from 5 (up to 10), but for sure
> I want to keep it, otherwise mailman will keep outdated addresses forever
> and continues to send mails to them.
>
> Regards
>
> Am 30.01.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:
>
>> Dear Wien2k developers
>>
>> I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and I always read
>> with pleasure the emails of the different users, which sometimes are
>> also useful for me.
>>
>> However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks) an email to
>> confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not do it soon my
>> membership is cancelled the very same day.
>>
>> I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
>> In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something I can do to
>> avoid this ?
>>
>> Thank you very much for your attention
>> Fabiana Da Pieve
>>
>>
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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Peter Blaha]

I've nothing changed recently in the mailing list configuration, so I 
don't know why this should now happen (except when your mail system has 
changed e.g spam-processing, ...)


It probably comes from   bounce processing, i.e. mailman cannot send to 
your email addresses and gets a bounce back. After 5 (or 10 days if it 
is a soft bounce) it will disable your membership and just before, it 
will send you a warning.


It may have to do with your specific email accounts ? maybe they think 
it is spam ... ?


Of course, I can increase the bounce level from 5 (up to 10), but for 
sure I want to keep it, otherwise mailman will keep outdated addresses 
forever and continues to send mails to them.


Regards

Am 30.01.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:

Dear Wien2k developers

I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and I always read
with pleasure the emails of the different users, which sometimes are
also useful for me.

However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks) an email to
confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not do it soon my
membership is cancelled the very same day.

I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something I can do to
avoid this ?

Thank you very much for your attention
Fabiana Da Pieve




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Re: [Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Lyudmila Dobysheva]

30.01.2017 12:26, Fabiana Da Pieve wrote:

However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks) an email to
confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not do it soon my
membership is cancelled the very same day.

Me too.


I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something I can do to
avoid this ?

The same request from me, please.

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[Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Fabiana Da Pieve]

Dear Wien2k developers

I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and I always read with
pleasure the emails of the different users, which sometimes are also useful
for me.

However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks) an email to
confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not do it soon my
membership is cancelled the very same day.

I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something I can do to
avoid this ?

Thank you very much for your attention
Fabiana Da Pieve
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