[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo  changed:

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 Resolution|LATER   |INVALID

--- Comment #28 from Nemo  2012-11-14 12:19:27 UTC ---
Switching from LATER to the second most relevant resolution for fear of
information loss.
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/65116

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2012-01-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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p858snake  changed:

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-09-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy  changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution||LATER

--- Comment #27 from Reedy  2011-09-07 14:58:07 UTC ---
Come back when this actually needs some action

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-08-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #26 from Aaron Schulz  2011-08-10 17:22:34 
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I can't say that's enough people for a consensus.

What are the drawbacks of this?

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-07-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #25 from Amalthea  2011-07-12 
11:11:59 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> Until we have the answer, let's remove "shell" keyword.

Hmm, that will only delay resolution of this issue, someone with shell access
will have to say whether the poll we had is sufficient.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-07-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #24 from Nemo_bis  2011-07-09 10:10:41 UTC 
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(In reply to comment #23)
> Right, you closed it as WORKSFORME though. Whether there is still consensus is
> a different question [...]

Until we have the answer, let's remove "shell" keyword.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-07-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #23 from Amalthea  2011-07-09 
08:12:56 UTC ---
Right, you closed it as WORKSFORME though. Whether there is still consensus is
a different question, and exactly the one that I asked in comment #17: enWP had
a straw poll 28 months ago, when this issue was opened. I've seen no objections
here or anywhere  (except maybe that bug 17934 should be worked on first), but
if you don't consider this enough, say the word and I'll go ask again at enWP.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-07-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #22 from Reedy  2011-07-09 00:52:04 UTC ---
There's no "consensus" at the moment, so it's not actionable...

Changing the number to fix it is easy enough, when we decide what we want to do
;)

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-07-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #21 from Amalthea  2011-07-09 
00:49:04 UTC ---
Ok, what about comment #16 and comment #17? :) I just tried it again at
[[User:Amalthea/rd1]], thinking that I'm missing something, but no, still
doesn't work.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-07-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #20 from Reedy  2011-07-09 00:40:16 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #15)
> I think it's safe to say we're done here. Though the bots will likely continue
> to fix them, our readers will no longer encounter the pervasive problem with
> double redirects. With the fix in place, I suggest that if anyone wants to add
> a comment, they should also reopen this bug.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-07-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Amalthea  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |

--- Comment #19 from Amalthea  2011-07-09 
00:39:09 UTC ---
Reedy: What "above" are you referring to?

$wgMaxRedirects is still set to 1. Double-Redirects do not work. Where does
this "work for you"?

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-07-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy  changed:

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--- Comment #18 from Reedy  2011-07-08 23:40:20 UTC ---
Closing per above

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Amalthea  changed:

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 Status|VERIFIED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |

--- Comment #17 from Amalthea  2011-05-14 
09:07:08 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #14)
> Not only old. It's outdated. Any number redirects are possible per 
> $wg(someting) parameter, and it as been set to 2 on most or all WMF
> wikis.

$wgMaxRedirects is still set to 1, see
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup

I'm sure increasing the number of allowed redirects is still desired -- at
least 2, personally I would like to have it at 3 to allow for some frequent,
valid redirect chains.
Rob, do you require another straw poll from the community, or is support here
sufficient?

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-05-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from Nemo_bis  2011-05-14 06:55:49 UTC 
---
(In reply to comment #14)
> Not only old. It's outdated. Any number redirects are possible per 
> $wg(someting) parameter, and it as been set to 2 on most or all WMF
> wikis.

Can someone provide some example? Redirects on [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] are
not working on all wikis I checked.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-05-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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ipatrol  changed:

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--- Comment #15 from ipatrol  2011-05-13 21:09:11 UTC ---
I think it's safe to say we're done here. Though the bots will likely continue
to fix them, our readers will no longer encounter the pervasive problem with
double redirects. With the fix in place, I suggest that if anyone wants to add
a comment, they should also reopen this bug.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-05-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Purodha Blissenbach  
2011-05-13 17:18:03 UTC ---
Not only old. It's outdated. Any number redirects are possible per 
$wg(someting) parameter, and it as been set to 2 on most or all WMF
wikis.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-05-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo_bis  changed:

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--- Comment #13 from Nemo_bis  2011-05-13 10:51:19 UTC 
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I think this is still desired pretty much on every wiki, as pointed out above.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-05-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Rob Halsell  changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Rob Halsell  2011-05-13 10:46:17 
UTC ---
Ok, going to ping about this.  We are ok to put it in, but we want to ensure it
is still wanted/required as this bug is INSANELY old.

I am putting this in for request, and resolving the bug.  Please do not
hesitate to re-open it if it is indeed still wanted.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2011-02-02 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Rob Halsell  changed:

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2010-04-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Roan Kattouw  2010-04-19 08:22:32 
UTC ---
Mass-unassigning shell bugs from myself to Rob; I used to do them once, but I
don't have time for them any more.

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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-12-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-09-02 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from thinbo...@gmail.com  2009-09-03 01:43:16 UTC ---
Out of idle curiosity, does the zero-one-infinity rule apply to (number of
levels of indirection for redirects)?
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/Z/Zero-One-Infinity-Rule.html


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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-06-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-03-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from ipatrol   2009-03-30 02:55:36 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> Regarding Comment #4: Triple-redirects are very rare ''because'' bots now fix
> all double-redirects soon after they are created.  Once double-redirects are
> allowed, triple-redirects will no longer be rare.  If we allowed
> septuple-redirects, eventually we would start accumulating octuple-redirects. 
> Whatever level of redirection is allowed, we still need (a) a mechanism for
> identifying those redirects that exceed the maximum level, and (b) a protocol
> for fixing them.
> 

We could continue the use of the double redirect bots, which will minimize
disruption (as many bots fix double redirects as a side task) and triple
redirects. On en.wp, the abuse filter could also be set to disallow moves or
edits  resulting in triple redirects, or possibly even both. I still think that
as long as we aren't asking for the impractical, consensus and its occasionally
twisted logic should be the guiding force.


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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-03-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Russell Blau   2009-03-27 13:34:41 
UTC ---
Regarding Comment #4: Triple-redirects are very rare ''because'' bots now fix
all double-redirects soon after they are created.  Once double-redirects are
allowed, triple-redirects will no longer be rare.  If we allowed
septuple-redirects, eventually we would start accumulating octuple-redirects. 
Whatever level of redirection is allowed, we still need (a) a mechanism for
identifying those redirects that exceed the maximum level, and (b) a protocol
for fixing them.


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--- Comment #7 from Le Chat   2009-03-27 08:27:57 UTC ---
I'm not sure I understand what Brion is suggesting. Surely this has been
tested, since it's a feature of the software, and has in effect been operative
on en.wp for some time because of the other bug. Since the community has
clearly expressed the will for the change (i.e. for the current effective
setting to continue after the other bug is fixed), and making the change
presumably takes no effort at all on the part of the devs, I don't see any
reason for it not to be done. 


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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-03-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from Happy-melon   2009-03-26 17:48:24 UTC 
---
As long as it gets onto the carousel, that's ok.  But I expect some people are
going to be unhappy when they realise that the 'Golden Age' of double redirects
working on wikipedia is already over... :D

There is some thought on en.wiki about asking for very long chains (eg 10) to
be allowed so we have more flexibility in building chains with semantic
clarity.  Are there performance and/or security considerations with that, or is
it something we can legitimately think about (and potentially ask for)??


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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-03-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from Brion Vibber   2009-03-26 17:18:15 UTC 
---
This is one we probably want to start on test, pre-announce, and have people
poke it a bit.


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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-03-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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ipatrol  changed:

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   Keywords||easy
   Priority|Normal  |Low




--- Comment #4 from ipatrol   2009-03-21 15:10:12 UTC ---
I think that all the effort, confused readers, and toolserver resources used to
fix double redirects is patently pointless. All that needs to be done is to
disable all bots used to fix double redirects and change the setting. Triple
redirects are very rare and are a bad idea anyway to ever have. However, this
isn't a very important problem and if the devs have more pressing matters to
work on, let them do those first.


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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-03-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from Brad Jorsch   2009-03-21 
00:21:04 UTC ---
*** Bug 18074 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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2009-03-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Russell Blau  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Russell Blau   2009-03-11 13:01:56 
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Bug 17934 is related to this.


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[Bug 17888] set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki

2009-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17888


Purodha Blissenbach  changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Purodha Blissenbach   
2009-03-09 18:04:26 UTC ---
I suggest to think over setting $wgMaxRedirects=2 (minimum)
on all Mediawiki wikis, if cost warrants it.
The current setting has imho turned out quite nicely
to keep technicalities out of the ordinary users sights
while we are waiting several days before we get a new list of 
5000 duplicate redirects (:only:) which we then can eliminate.

Thus we can count this setting as yet another small step
towards better usability.


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