[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2012-11-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27860

duplicate...@googlemail.com changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 CC||duplicate...@googlemail.com
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #10 from duplicate...@googlemail.com 2012-11-11 11:34:54 UTC ---
This bug is fixed and already released, please open a new bug, when a global is
needed to disable this feature. Thanks.

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2012-11-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2012-11-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27860

Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2012-04-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Doug wikipediad...@googlemail.com changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2012-04-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27860

--- Comment #9 from Doug wikipediad...@googlemail.com 2012-04-09 14:22:28 UTC 
---
I disagree.  What project wants this?  Comment 3 mentions enwiki but I don't
even understand why they would want this and would appreciate a link to the
discussion on enwiki where they decided this.  Certainly redirects and maybe
dabs are minor as are the creation of new user subpages, at the very least.

There was never any reason to make this change.  The correct change as noted by
Nemo_bis, was to uncheck the box by default and possibly remove the option to
change this to checked by default, not remove the box from new pages
altogether.  Nobody ever really asked for that change; two alternatives were
presented and one was simply implemented without comment as to why that was
perceived as the better alternative.

Additionally, the original problem was characterized as being for making a New
Section not creating a page, a new section to an already existing page is
actually less likely to be minor than a new page is.  This should be reverted
unless there is a wiki that thinks it actually needs it to be turned on - that
is that they never have minor page creations even for redirects - unless you're
a bot, bots can still create new pages as minor.

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2012-03-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Fabrice Laussy fabrice.lau...@gmail.com 2012-03-17 
12:25:26 UTC ---
Yes, a per-site basis would be the best option. I understand that on certain
wikis, the creation of a new page should never be regarded as minor but on
others this could even be the general rule.

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2012-03-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Fabrice Laussy fabrice.lau...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Fabrice Laussy fabrice.lau...@gmail.com 2012-03-16 
18:51:30 UTC ---
This is also bad for me, I use minor edits to prevent announcement of important
changes on my wiki:

http://laussy.org/wiki/Blog:Notes/Mediawiki_Extension_News

Now with 1.18 and this new feature, an essentially empty page such as:

http://laussy.org/wiki/Blog:Notes/HTML_5_drag_and_drop_interaction_with_clipbard

is trumpeted in my http://laussy.org/wiki/News.

I wish there is the option to mark as minor a newly created page.

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2012-03-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org 2012-03-16 
19:51:51 UTC ---
Since this has been deployed for a while, I don't think I would want to just
revert it.

A possible solution would be to add another global and check that with the
isNew() check.  This would allow sites to set this on a per-site basis.  enwiki
could have a different policy than zhwiki then.

Thoughts?

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-11-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Doug wikipediad...@googlemail.com changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Doug wikipediad...@googlemail.com 2011-11-24 21:20:44 UTC 
---
This was a very bad idea and I noticed it shortly after it was implemented but
didn't know the cause.  On Wikisources this is very undesirable.  Now it is
impossible to create a new page from OCR in the pagespace and mark it as minor,
unless it's done by a bot.  Creation of a page (as in a pagespace page) is
almost always minor.  On many projects too, the creation of redirects is minor.
The fix of course also prevents this on non-WMF instances of mediawiki.  This
should be reverted.

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27860

--- Comment #4 from p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com 2011-10-28 01:52:10 UTC ---
I also dislike this change... I edit several wikis where new pages can be minor
edits and should be marked as such.

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy s...@reedyboy.net changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy s...@reedyboy.net changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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[Bug 27860] Do not mark edits as minor by default on new section or new page creation

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27860

Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 CC||federicol...@tiscali.it
 Resolution|FIXED   |
Summary|Minor edit after clicking   |Do not mark edits as minor
   |'new section' tab   |by default on new section
   ||or new page creation

--- Comment #3 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2011-10-05 20:35:14 UTC 
---
This just introduces new problems. There's no reason why users should be forced
to mark such edits as not minor; the definition of minor edit varies among
wikis etc.
Comment 0 introduces the problem as caused by the Mark all edits minor by
default; the solution is therefore Do not mark edits as minor by default on
new section or new page creation, because that can be indeed be a not-intended
behaviour for newbies who don't understand the feature.
Bug 5754 had already been marked as invalid, and the change should be reverted.

Also, it's been noticed on #wikimedia-tech that this is not clearly noted in
the changelog.

By the way, this seems to be perceived as a problem only by en.wiki, and bug
24313 has been fixed after this was submitted.

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