[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2012-03-02 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #28 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2012-03-02 21:55:52 UTC ---
Summary:

* Up until the point where jquery.tablesorter replaced the wikibits tablesorter
code, the sort trigger icon was an img element injected into the th
element. No CSS was applied by default by the tablesorter
* Wikis commonly used class=wikitable or inline style= attributes for the
styling of the actual table being sorted
* The jquery.tablesorter module now applies CSS:
-- a background-image on the th
-- padding on the th (to avoid text from continuing where the image appears)
-- background-position on the th

The way jquery.tablesorter does it is imho a more ideal approach, and easier to
customize and maintain.

However since it isn't a new module but replacing an old one, we need to think
about compatibility with the 1000s of articles out there written with thought
(or need to think of) that some other CSS was going to be applied later on.

Wikis didn't have to account for styling before, so there are 10,000s of
articles all over the place with inline hardcoded style attributes on tables.
Including generic catch-all style rules like background: red;  that
unintentionally override background-image and background-position of the
jquery.tablesorter, thus causing the sortable table to no longer have an icon
visible (A UX problem, and a regression as well since the icon was perfectly
visible in the old system.

Couple of solutions come to mind, in no particular order:

A) We somehow enforce the styling (!important)
-- Advantage: Only re-enforces the properties we care about, other inline
styles should be fine
-- Disadvantage: We're using !important, so local wikis will have a hard time
customizing anything, as well as other modules from core/extensions or gadgets
(e.g. a custom sortable icon)

B) We get rid of the css part of jquery.tablesorter targeting the th  and
instead go old-school and put the sort icons as actual child elements of the
th (doesn't have to be img, could be a span with css)
-- Advantage: No breaking changes for existing articles
-- Disadvantage: 

C) We keep the current module in it's ideal state with css and all, but
instead of targeting the old sortable class, we use a new class
mw-tablesorter or something as the new way. That way there is no breaking
of anything. We then also implement a B)-like solution for backwards
compatibility with the old system.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-12-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

--- Comment #27 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-12-19 
09:13:10 UTC ---
The discussion is just the reason why it needs to be a separate bugreport. Your
comments are distorting the clarity of this bug report that deals with JUST one
thing. When a user manually sets a background style on a table headercell, the
sorting indicator will disappear. That is the only thing this bug deals with
and the fix for that will be the basis for any future closing of this
bugreport.

I have opened bug 33249 for your problem, please continue there.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

--- Comment #25 from Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com 2011-11-30 12:57:21 
UTC ---
The workaround for this bug is to use specific background styling:
style=background-color:#123456; will work just fine. It's not any stying
that disables the sorting icon, it's using the catch-all background: attribute,
which overrides the background-image: set by the table sorter.

Regarding the placement of the sorting icon (above or next to the header): if
you want to discuss changing that, open a separate bug for it or start a thread
on wikitech-l. Let's keep this bug on topic.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #26 from zlight zedlight...@gmail.com 2011-11-30 14:25:24 UTC ---
I do not feel this requires a separate discussion. If you feel it does, then do
so. Whoever is working on this can put the sorting icon above the text. It is
not a big deal. This thread is about separating styling from sorting. Making
the sorting happen in the most logical way, clicking the sorting icon, further
separates sorting from header styling. This is not a massive change, nor
illogical. It is simple placement. If it bothers you, or others, then one
solution is to add a feature to choose where to place the sorting icon.
Sort-top, Sort-right, Sort-bottom, Sort-left. It is a mistake in my opinion to
make sorting happen by clicking text. By the way, Roan, I left a message to the
Reflinks author, and have not heard anything. Another reason to make sorting
happen only via the sorting icon. Because if various bots are changing header
styling, then sorting will get broken.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

--- Comment #18 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-11-28 
13:30:50 UTC ---
Please remember that wikipedia is not the sole usecase of mediawiki. If having
sort headers ABOVE normal headers was a good idea, then likely it would work
like that in every data tool in the world. It doesn't, which seems to indicate
that there is more in play normally, then just cramming as much information
into one table as possible.

And again, it is an unintended consequence of the implementation that it works.
People should not rely on it to exist like that for perpetuity, it might break
at any time.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from zlight zedlight...@gmail.com 2011-11-28 16:47:41 UTC ---
I don't want the sorting icon to be in a separate cell. I want it to be in the
same cell as the header text. But above the text. It is simple to do with a
line-break. br 

I looked at other table sorting:
*https://www.google.com/search?q=table+sorting
None of them have our problem of reference links and internal links in header
cells. Very few popular sites that are read mostly by laypeople have clickable
references throughout articles. That is a MediaWiki and Wikipedia thing. And we
put the clickable references in header cells too. Along with internal links to
other Wikipedia articles.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

--- Comment #20 from lexein lexei...@yahoo.com 2011-11-28 17:27:42 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #19)
 I don't want the sorting icon to be in a separate cell. I want it to be in the
 same cell as the header text. 

This should be discussed not here, but at the equivalent of the MediaWiki
village pump.  Seriously.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #21 from zlight zedlight...@gmail.com 2011-11-28 18:31:11 UTC ---
I looked around at http://www.mwusers.com and http://www.mediawiki.org a little
and did not find any place for discussing technical bugs. The most skilled
people are here.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com changed:

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--- Comment #22 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com 2011-11-28 
18:34:04 UTC ---
zlight, try https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l and
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l which have much larger
readerships. Here on Bugzilla, only 8 people are looking at this bug.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #23 from zlight zedlight...@gmail.com 2011-11-28 20:45:53 UTC ---
lexein, I think you should initiate discussion here:
*https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l. 
There are over a thousand Mediawiki bugs open according this page:
*https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/weekly-bug-summary.cgi?tops=10days=7
I think the most we can expect from posting to the wikitech list is to get a
few more people to look at this bug 31755 thread. I do not understand why the
location of the sorting icon above the text as opposed to the right side of the
text matters to you other than that it is different. So I think you should
explain your reasoning to the wikitech list. 

Derk-Jan Hartman, I think you may have misunderstood what I was proposing. You
wrote in comment 18: And again, it is an unintended consequence of the
implementation that it works. People should not rely on it to exist like that
for perpetuity, it might break at any time. I am not asking for a separate
cell for the sorting icon. I am asking that the sorting button-icon be moved
above the text but remain in the same cell. If the sorting icon is in the same
cell (whether it is above or to the right of the text) then it will not break. 

I could give more examples of why putting it above the text prevents many
problems. Mainly, people use various size fonts. I use a larger font normally
in Firefox (minimum font size setting). Wikis on various sites (Wikia and
elsewhere) use various content widths. Tables oftentimes do not fit well in the
allocated content width. Editors oftentimes do not account for larger fonts,
smaller screens, percentage width settings, and so on. Expansion of column
width can occur when the column head is clicked for some of the table sorting
methods found here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=table+sorting

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

--- Comment #24 from lexein lexei...@yahoo.com 2011-11-28 23:17:02 UTC ---
Excuse me, but there's no need for me to initiate anything.  You're the one
insisting on a MediaWiki-wide feature change which will affect hundreds of
thousands of Wikipedia pages with sorting tables.  Feature changes and styling
changes get discussed elsewhere, not in the middle of a bug report. My report
was of a NONFUNCTIONING SORT COLUMN due to styling.   I just want the
documented feature to work as documented, if a bit of styling has been added.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

--- Comment #15 from zlight zedlight...@gmail.com 2011-11-27 01:15:23 UTC ---
The sorting icon really needs to be above the text in a header cell. This
allows for more columns to fit within the width of the screen. It also allows
more space for the text within the header cells, since no space is taken up by
the sorting icon. This is useful for tables with many columns. For example; see
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Go to that page and make your browser window more narrow (the middle button of
the 3 buttons at the top of the browser window). Drag the right side of the
window to get various window widths. Scroll down the page. Note that when the
sorting icon is to the right of the text that the sorting icon does not wrap.
So the table then requires a horizontal scrolling bar sooner than the tables
with the sorting icons above the headers.

Also, note the tables in the Country subdivisions section of that page. The
tables start off closed. I can not put the sorting icons above the text. If I
do then the column header text is not readable. The text would be readable if
the default position of the sorting icon was above the text. Right now there is
no way I can fix this problem.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from lexein lexei...@yahoo.com 2011-11-27 02:23:46 UTC ---
This nonstandard format (sorting icon above the text) doesn't need to be
anything until a wide consensus of editors, and the Mediawiki coders agree that
it needs to be. Cramming data into the minimum possible space is not the
primary purpose of tables, or sortable tables.  
Rather than continue to argue this here, try the Village Pump (technical), or
one of the MOS talk pages.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from zlight zedlight...@gmail.com 2011-11-27 03:44:33 UTC ---
You know, common sense is allowed according to Wikipedia guidelines. Adjusting
the code to allow styling in headers is going to be adjusting code for the
sorting icon too. Because clicking the header cell activates sorting.
Currently, the code has to do gymnastics to distinguish between clicking links
in a header cell versus clicking anywhere else in the header cell to activate
sorting. See the examples here:
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting#Header_styling.2C_links.2C_and_markup

Click within the header cells in those examples. Rather than use such
complicated code it is a lot easier to put the sorting icon above the text, and
then the only thing that is clicked to activate sorting is the sorting icon.
You don't need a committee to use common sense.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com 2011-11-24 10:35:49 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #13)
 So people following the style=background-color: workaround in Help:Sorting
 are being undermined by Reflinks. Is there some logical reason why Reflinks is
 doing what it is doing? Reflinks: 
 *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dispenser/Reflinks
This is probably just a bug in reflinks, I suggest you contact the author about
it.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #13 from zlight zedlight...@gmail.com 2011-11-24 07:33:14 UTC ---
Reflinks is converting style=background-color: to style=background: in
header cells. See this diff: 
*http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Occupy_movement_protest_locations_in_the_United_Statesaction=historysubmitdiff=462226262oldid=46535
 

Fortunately, the table in that article uses both workarounds discussed in
Help:Sorting. Otherwise Reflinks would have removed sorting from that table.

So people following the style=background-color: workaround in Help:Sorting
are being undermined by Reflinks. Is there some logical reason why Reflinks is
doing what it is doing? Reflinks: 
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dispenser/Reflinks

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from zlight...@yahoo.com 2011-11-17 01:17:49 UTC ---
Concerning comment #8: Simply don't overwrite the background style. In this
case, use 'background-color' instead for instance. 

Is it realistic to expect people to figure out that they should use
style=background-color: versus style=background: in header cells? 

I hope that the fix to come allows any method of styling for header cells.
Also, I hope that the sorting icon is put above the header name so that tables
with many columns have more room for the header text. 
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Then there would be no need for an extra row of blank headers. In any case
styling is essential for header cells in some cases.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from lexein lexei...@yahoo.com 2011-11-17 01:48:35 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #11)
 Concerning comment #8: Simply don't overwrite the background style. In this
 case, use 'background-color' instead for instance. 
 
 Is it realistic to expect people to figure out that they should use
 style=background-color: versus style=background: in header cells? 

Yes, if they look at Help:Sorting, where I've added the background-color tip
there as Workaround 1, and added back a mild caution for Workaround 2.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy s...@reedyboy.net changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Target Milestone|1.18.0 release  |1.19.0 release

--- Comment #10 from Reedy s...@reedyboy.net 2011-11-15 12:48:00 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #9)
 I'm recommending that we re-add the !important change (r99307) in the 1.18
 branch only, since it's the short-term option that gives us the least amount 
 of
 breakage. Leaving it how it is is a fair bit worse in terms of user impact.
 
 In trunk maybe we can have something based on adding img/ tags, that's
 probably the most robust solution.

Done in r103156

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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zlight...@yahoo.com changed:

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--- Comment #5 from zlight...@yahoo.com 2011-11-14 17:48:11 UTC ---
Adding some blank headers above the styled headers fixes the sorting problem.
It also narrows the table, which is very useful at times. Here is the same
table after it has been fixed: 

{|class=wikitable sortable
|-
! br
! br
! br
|-
!style=background:#cfcfcf;  align=center |Name!!Surname!!Height
|-
|John||Smith||1.85
|-
|Ron||Ray||1.89
|-
|Mario||Bianchi||1.72
|-class=sortbottom
|||Average:||1.82
|}

See several sortable tables with styled headers here too: 
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Occupy_movement_protest_locations

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from zlight...@yahoo.com 2011-11-14 20:14:46 UTC ---
For more info see the header sections of this help page about table sorting: 
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting 

Adding some blank headers above the named headers also allows more space for
the names within header cells, since no space is taken up by the sorting icon.
This is important for tables with many columns. For example; see this table
with many columns:
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |

--- Comment #7 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-11-14 21:03:59 
UTC ---
Reopening, since !important change was reverted.

We need to rewrite the sortable tables to make the indicator a separate element
that is not easy to style for normal people.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

--- Comment #8 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-11-14 21:09:24 
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Adding some blank headers above the styled headers fixes the sorting problem.

That is not the proper way btw. Simply don't overwrite the background style. In
this case, use background-color instead for instance.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

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--- Comment #9 from Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org 2011-11-14 22:32:22 
UTC ---
I'm recommending that we re-add the !important change (r99307) in the 1.18
branch only, since it's the short-term option that gives us the least amount of
breakage. Leaving it how it is is a fair bit worse in terms of user impact.

In trunk maybe we can have something based on adding img/ tags, that's
probably the most robust solution.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-10-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||roan.katt...@gmail.com,
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--- Comment #4 from Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org 2011-10-23 
20:43:32 UTC ---
I've made sure that the revisions DJ referred to in comment 1 are marked for
deployment and will talk to someone tomorrow about pushing this out.

CCing Roan and Reedy on this since they're most likely the ones who will push
it.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Depends on||31601
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #1 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-10-22 16:51:04 
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r98069, r98665 and r99307 mostly deal with this problem.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #2 from lexein lexei...@yahoo.com 2011-10-22 21:49:12 UTC ---
When will the fix be rolled out?

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-10-22 22:13:40 
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(In reply to comment #2)
 When will the fix be rolled out?

There is no schedule for that.

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-10-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31755

Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|Unprioritized   |High
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   Target Milestone|--- |1.18 tarball release

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[Bug 31755] Styling in headers breaks sortable tables

2011-10-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||need-regression-test

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