[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|Move the ShortURL to a |Outright remove of |better place than right |duplicate short URL under |under the title |title --- Comment #15 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- Restoring original summary: the new one would make it a duplicate of bug 38863, of which this is a proposed solution. WONTFIX it, if you have better ideas... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE --- Comment #16 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com --- Marking as duplicate, since there is a better solution outlined at bug 38863#c1 *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 38863 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|DUPLICATE |WONTFIX -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #17 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- (In reply to comment #16) Marking as duplicate, since there is a better solution outlined at bug 38863#c1 Does this mean that you have plans to implement that solution in the foreseeable future? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #18 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com --- Somewhere in the next month, yes (currently busy implementing WP:DRREFORM) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Srikanth Logic srik@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||srik@gmail.com --- Comment #14 from Srikanth Logic srik@gmail.com 2012-10-25 09:56:36 UTC --- (In reply to comment #8) (in reply to the above wrangling) 1. Yes the current UI is horrible. That is bug 38863 Ofcourse, the custom javascript was slightly better infact. 5. This tool needs to be highly visible. Other tools like collection are in the sidebar. That doesn't mean that they're visible. Probably half the people don't know about them either. Its not whether this should be put in a comparatively better place compared to other important extensions, but rather whether putting it in the sidebar will solve its purpose, which I don't believe it would. As has been said, nobody looks at the sidebar. Agree. It needs to be visible, but should not be very obtrusive. So, outright removal of duplication is needed, but not necessarily from the title line. If a non-obtrusive method of incorporating this prominently (near the title) can be found, the title implementation may be kept and the sidebar link removed. +1 (In reply to comment #7) Ok, what's the problem? You still need a right click and a left click (most users don't even know shortcuts). I think this will be the case irrespective of where the link is since we are not going to support click2copy. The main problem that this link solves is not that as well. People are getting to know shortcuts, atleast control-c / control-v :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #1 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com 2012-10-24 13:39:57 UTC --- I'll note that I was simply replicating the UI found in the gadgets used by tawiki and orwiki(I think?) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #2 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2012-10-24 13:42:52 UTC --- (In reply to comment #1) I'll note that I was simply replicating the UI found in the gadgets used by tawiki and orwiki(I think?) Nobody says that it's your fault. :-) Currently, however, I don't hear anyone (whether coming from those wikis or not) disagreeing with the opinion that the URL under the title makes more harm than good. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #3 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com 2012-10-24 13:44:35 UTC --- Arun Ganesh made a mockup a short while ago that was much better. Will check to see if I can find it. And I don't think putting it just in the toolbox makes any sense. Nobody looks at the toolbox. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #4 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2012-10-24 13:51:47 UTC --- (In reply to comment #3) Arun Ganesh made a mockup a short while ago that was much better. Will check to see if I can find it. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:L10n-ux-wiki_shortlink_position.png And I don't think putting it just in the toolbox makes any sense. Nobody looks at the toolbox. We have (even far more?) crucial tools there, it's not a new thing. Someone looking for a short link will find it, it's not something most readers would need or need to be encouraged to use (probably unlike some other stuff in the toolbox). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #5 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com 2012-10-24 14:09:17 UTC --- Try copy pasting the URL into someplace to try sharing it. That is the original purpose of the Short URL - so burying it in the toolbox would be counterproductive. It's for readers, rather than editors. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Daniel Friesen mediawiki-b...@nadir-seen-fire.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mediawiki-bugs@nadir-seen-f ||ire.com --- Comment #6 from Daniel Friesen mediawiki-b...@nadir-seen-fire.com 2012-10-24 14:12:52 UTC --- (In reply to comment #4) (In reply to comment #3) Arun Ganesh made a mockup a short while ago that was much better. Will check to see if I can find it. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:L10n-ux-wiki_shortlink_position.png Looks like a bad place for the shorturl. Margins are not consistent across skins. Moreover margins are not a proper place to put content. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #7 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2012-10-24 14:18:20 UTC --- (In reply to comment #6) (In reply to comment #4) (In reply to comment #3) Arun Ganesh made a mockup a short while ago that was much better. Will check to see if I can find it. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:L10n-ux-wiki_shortlink_position.png Looks like a bad place for the shorturl. Margins are not consistent across skins. Moreover margins are not a proper place to put content. Please discuss that on bug 38863. (In reply to comment #5) Try copy pasting the URL into someplace to try sharing it. Ok, what's the problem? You still need a right click and a left click (most users don't even know shortcuts). That is the original purpose of the Short URL - so burying it in the toolbox would be counterproductive. It's for readers, rather than editors. Like everything in the toolbox, think of permalinks and books (below) but also what links here which is a fundamental tool to navigate pages. There's no very special reason for this particular tool to be in such a bad position: again, not your fault, but it needs a fix now rather than in the future (aka never). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Siddhartha Ghai siddhartha.g...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||siddhartha.g...@gmail.com --- Comment #8 from Siddhartha Ghai siddhartha.g...@gmail.com 2012-10-24 14:26:36 UTC --- (in reply to the above wrangling) 1. Yes the current UI is horrible. That is bug 38863 2. Nobody sees the sidebar. 3. The bigger part of the current problem is that nobody knows what this url is for (there's no indication of it in the title part) 4. The mockup looks good (even if it is difficult to implement in js, skins etc.) 5. This tool needs to be highly visible. Other tools like collection are in the sidebar. That doesn't mean that they're visible. Probably half the people don't know about them either. Its not whether this should be put in a comparatively better place compared to other important extensions, but rather whether putting it in the sidebar will solve its purpose, which I don't believe it would. As has been said, nobody looks at the sidebar. So, outright removal of duplication is needed, but not necessarily from the title line. If a non-obtrusive method of incorporating this prominently (near the title) can be found, the title implementation may be kept and the sidebar link removed. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #9 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com 2012-10-24 15:18:46 UTC --- The problem is that it looks like https://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D. That's a title that is one word long. This is two words long: https://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D_%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A3%E0%AF%81 See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1450 for original discussion on the 'need' -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #10 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2012-10-24 16:00:31 UTC --- Sure, in fact I'm not saying to disable the extension. Linking current version is also (almost) impossible, without the toolbox link... but there it is. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #11 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com 2012-10-24 16:06:13 UTC --- And nobody uses the cur link from the toolbox :P -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||design CC||aklap...@wikimedia.org -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #12 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2012-10-24 16:20:49 UTC --- (In reply to comment #11) And nobody uses the cur link from the toolbox :P Those who need it, do. (Do you have clicktracking data to say the opposite, or that this feature is special?) Short URL is quite a universal feature in the web, people needing it will just look around and immediately found it in the toolbox, while the URL under the title could be anything and other toolbox links are more unfortunate because they are also a bit hard to explain. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 --- Comment #13 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com 2012-10-24 16:24:13 UTC --- I'm sure this data can be obtained from the squid logs -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||easy -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 41252] Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41252 Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |Normal -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
