[Bug 50896] VisualEditor: Be able to edit references defined within a template
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50896
John Broughton johnbrough...@comcast.net changed:
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--- Comment #1 from John Broughton johnbrough...@comcast.net ---
This should NOT be a low priority. It's quite common for an article to have ALL
references inside a template - see, for example,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthopsis .
At the moment, VE is able to figure out that the citation information is
elsewhere - a tooltip appears that says This reference is defined in a
template or other generated block, and for now can be only edited in source
mode. If VE can figure that out, then it should be able to perform the
following three additional steps:
* Check if the information is in the {{reflist}} template (match the ref
name= parameter in the body of the text to a ref name parameter within the
reflist template)
* If a match is found, pull the relevant citation information from the reflist
template, allowing the user to edit it
* After the edit is finished, put the (modified) citation information back into
the reflist template
(Side note: for edit conflict purposes, this is an edit of the section where
the reflist template is located, not where the footnote label exists within the
body of the text).
If VE is NOT modified to allow users to edit such references/citations, users
are going to be (randomly) frustrated because they can't edit any footnotes in
some articles using VE (see above) and because in some articles
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis , for example), there are
occasional footnotes that aren't editable in VE.
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[Bug 50896] VisualEditor: Be able to edit references defined within a template
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50896
--- Comment #2 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to John Broughton from comment #1)
This should NOT be a low priority. It's quite common for an article to have
ALL references inside a template - see, for example,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthopsis .
At the moment, VE is able to figure out that the citation information is
elsewhere - a tooltip appears that says This reference is defined in a
template or other generated block, and for now can be only edited in source
mode. If VE can figure that out
We figure that out because we can tell that there's no actual reference on the
page, so presumably it was made with a hack.
, then it should be able to perform the following three additional steps:
This doesn't actually follow.
* Check if the information is in the {{reflist}} template (match the ref
name= parameter in the body of the text to a ref name parameter within the
reflist template)
No. That would require making up a list of hack templates that each wiki uses,
which is a WONTFIX if ever there was one. See instead bug 51260 which will mean
we can get rid of this class of template hacks once and for all.
* If a match is found, pull the relevant citation information from the
reflist template, allowing the user to edit it
Again, this would require a list of hack extraction approaches for each of the
hack templates. WONTFIX. Sorry, but these templates are ghastly abominations
and should have been strangled at birth.
* After the edit is finished, put the (modified) citation information back
into the reflist template
That requires magic psychic modification of wikitext. Yet again, WONTFIX.
Sorry.
(Side note: for edit conflict purposes, this is an edit of the section where
the reflist template is located, not where the footnote label exists within
the body of the text).
You are mistaken about how edit conflict detection works. Sections don't come
into it. See endless suggestions and bugs passim where this myth has been
disproven.
If VE is NOT modified to allow users to edit such references/citations,
users are going to be (randomly) frustrated because they can't edit any
footnotes in some articles using VE (see above) and because in some articles
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis , for example), there are
occasional footnotes that aren't editable in VE.
Or, alternatively, we could dump the stupid templates that make it harder for
users even using wikitext to know what on Earth is happening, and instead use
the wikitext the way it was designed, without resorting to hacks of doom?
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[Bug 50896] VisualEditor: Be able to edit references defined within a template
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