[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Immediate |High -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|High|Normal --- Comment #6 from Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org --- I'm sorry, MatmaRex, I'd love to think that this was an important bug, but it's really not. I mean, as wonderful as a pioneering-based name would be, it's not like stop everything and work on this sort of stuff. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 --- Comment #7 from Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com --- Sure, I just set a high priority since this would be best FIXED or WONTFIXed before deployment, and deployment is happening very soon. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 --- Comment #8 from Marcin Cieślak marcin.cies...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #2) * The language using the term beta is intentionally consistent with the Mobile team's beta channel - this is the same concept (and will likely cover Mobile technologies at some point too) and so should be translated the same. Excuse me, I can't understand the above paragraph at all :( btw. I posted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:About_Beta_Features#Name few days back -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 Peter Coombe pcoo...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||pcoo...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #9 from Peter Coombe pcoo...@wikimedia.org --- (In reply to comment #5) I still like Laboratory, but James has a point – even though the same point can be made about Beta (I pointed out some examples in comment 0, another would be the beta cluster, ironically also called beta labs). Please, no more Labs/Laboratory names. In Wikimedia land we already have Labs, Tool Labs, IdeaLab, Labs²... Other ideas for a name: something related to innovation or pioneering? (I quite like the second one, it gives off a nice vibe.) Proving ground? No idea how well it translates. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |Immediate CC||matma@gmail.com Severity|normal |enhancement -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it --- Comment #1 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- (In reply to comment #0) * We can try renaming the project. We could go with the lowest friction option and call it Experimental features, which would be at least a little better. I think this was rejected in the past because it may include features thought or meant to be stable, just too new to be enabled for everyone at once. * Or we could use others' experiences and name that section Laboratory, which would also give us an obvious, clear icon to use (laboratory beaker) – Google does this with their experimental options and it has always seemed like a great idea to me. No idea if Laboratory is better than Beta, they seem equally generic. Beta is just the most common way across the web/software industry to brand something as the last thing and tell people not to blame you if it breaks something; it doesn't have a meaning apart from that. I don't know if Laboratory has an equally wide usage/understanding. The main confusion here might be that not all features branded beta are controlled by this beta general switch; no idea if this is temporary. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jforres...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #2 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org --- Five points: * The language using the term beta is intentionally consistent with the Mobile team's beta channel - this is the same concept (and will likely cover Mobile technologies at some point too) and so should be translated the same. * Experimental sounds clinical, complicated and confusing in English, which is why it wasn't used. * If you are translating from English into a language that doesn't use the Greek word 'beta', and also does not have an equivalent, calling it experimental sounds fine. * The language using the term features is intentionally broad, to cover new functionality, new UX approaches to existing functionality, new design concepts, new skins, and other new things. Translations should use a broad, inclusive term to cover all of these. * Labs is unfortunately already taken by WMF Labs. It would have been a great name for this, I agree, but that's life. Unless you have a time- machine handy, we can't fix the confusion that naming these the same would cause. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 --- Comment #3 from Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #0) Basically, any translation of this will consist solely of English/Latin loanwords in almost all languages, which may make it sound remote or unfriendly. And where I said Latin, what I actually meant was Greek for beta and Latin for function. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||b...@mzmcbride.com --- Comment #4 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- We have a lot of poorly named extensions (Vector and AbuseFilter come to mind). I'm not sure BetaFeatures is terrible, though. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 56537] The very name BetaFeatures is really really bad
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56537 --- Comment #5 from Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com --- Unlike those, BetaFeatures' name can probably still be changed. And we don't have Vector anymore, since I killed it (bug 45051). I still like Laboratory, but James has a point – even though the same point can be made about Beta (I pointed out some examples in comment 0, another would be the beta cluster, ironically also called beta labs). Other ideas for a name: something related to innovation or pioneering? (I quite like the second one, it gives off a nice vibe.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
