[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 --- Comment #6 from Daniel Kinzler --- Another aspect that came up is the conceptual separation of the "core" data model (representing the knowledge stored in the wiki directly) vs. the "presentational" model (with fallback, filtering, and expansion). A marker interface may work, but that's not very nice (think LSP). The cleanest solution would be to duplicate the entire data model class hierarchy, but that's massive overhead, hard to maintain, and potentially confusing. The best we can do for now seems to be to clearly document which classes and fields are part of the core model, and which are presentational. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 --- Comment #5 from Daniel Kinzler --- Of course i meant "the serialization we use in the database will often not be exactly the same as the one we use in the API". I agree with Adrian that our data model should generally be able to represent everything our serializer puts into the output. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 Adrian Lang changed: What|Removed |Added CC||adrian.l...@wikimedia.de --- Comment #4 from Adrian Lang --- » we use in the database will often not be exactly the same as the one we use in the database.«? I agree that we have to consider users which don't have a data model implementation. I just want the data model implementations we have to be able to provide the things we provide in the serialization. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 --- Comment #3 from Daniel Kinzler --- After some discussion with Jan and Adrian, some points became clear: * We want to implement language fallback and filtering on the model level, not in the serializer * Other things however, like grouping of statements, or associative vs. indexed arrays, have to be implemented in the serializer (a flag to the serializer factory could do the trick) * Presentation-layer concepts can be represented in the datamodel using subclassing (e.g. TermWithLanguageFallback extends Term). * It would be good to include a version number in serializer output * Entities "tainted" by fallback, filtering, etc are not a big issue in practice, because EditEntity only adds/replaces entries per default. * EditEntity still needs to fail on terms with fallback info, to avoid writing automatic transliterations to the database. In general, it became clear that the serialization we use in the database will often not be exactly the same as the one we use in the database. For instance, the serialization in the database does not contain the data-type in snaks, nor should it in the future contain things like expanded URIs of external IDs or converted quantity values. The question whether we can always group statements by property, or whether we want to retain the option to ouput flat lists of Statements, remained open. It would be nicer if we could always group. Another general consideration: we want our output format to stay relatively stable, and it should be easy to use directly, without the need for specialized data model libraries. While it would be nice to have libraries for serialization and representing our data model in multiple languages, we currently do not supply those. As long as we don't, we have to assume people operate on the raw data structures. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 Daniel Kinzler changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||72183 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 Daniel Kinzler changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||71512 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 Daniel Kinzler changed: What|Removed |Added CC||daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de --- Comment #2 from Daniel Kinzler --- Things that the old serializer supported (or should have supported), and need to be possible using the new model and serializer too: * Filtering (terms by language, sitelinks by site, statements by rank) * Apply language fallback (and put info about the fallback in the terms) * optionally group claims by property * optionally use lists instead of maps that use IDs as keys (to cater to the quirks of ApiFormatXml). * deletion markers used in responses of API modules like RemoveClaim In some cases, we want to (optionally) inject extra information into the serialization (or presentational model), e.g.: * the DataType of PropertyValueSnaks * (future) full URIs for external identifiers * (future) quantity values converted to base units We should try to avoid putting such "derivative" versions of our data back into the database, as this would constitute data loss and/or create confusion (especially in the case of automatic transliteration). Another question is if and how "derivative" entity information can and should be represented by our data model. We should have a spec that makes a clear distinction between the "core" data model, and "representational" or "informational" derivatives. PS: We also need a way to represent order explicitly when using id based maps instead of lists (for statements, qualifiers in a claim, references in a statement, and snaks in a reference). This is part of the core model, but was not addressed by the old serializer either. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 Jan Zerebecki changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jan.wikime...@zerebecki.de --- Comment #1 from Jan Zerebecki --- It seems it is also missing the ability to represent removed Terms: search for removed in serializeMultilingualValues() in Wikibase.git/lib/includes/serializers/MultilingualSerializer.php . -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 Lydia Pintscher changed: What|Removed |Added CC||lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.d ||e Whiteboard|u=dev c=backend p=0 |u=dev c=backend p=13 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 tobias.gritschac...@wikimedia.de changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||62188 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 71170] Ensure WikibaseDataModelSerialization feature parity with WikibaseLib
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71170 tobias.gritschac...@wikimedia.de changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |High Whiteboard||u=dev c=backend p=0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
