Re: [Wikidata] From the game to the competition

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:08 PM David Abián  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> It's fantastic to see that we have such interesting tools to contribute
> to Wikidata like Magnus' games.
>
> With Wikidata Game and The Distributed Game as a base, I think we could
> go further and get a tool that serve, not only as a game, but as a real
> competition. In particular, with the following additions and a few
> suggestions, I believe we could celebrate great /in situ/ Wikidata
> competitions over the world:
>
> * A chronometer with a start and a scheduled end while contributions are
> registered for the contest.
> * Some quorum (e.g., three) so that edits in the contest are only
> applied to Wikidata if that quorum of people agrees on an answer.
> * A scoring system that only provide points (or much more points) to
> those who get a quorum. This avoids people answering randomly while they
> destroy Wikidata and earn more and more points.
> * A way to show the same questions to the quorum number of participants
> during the competition.
> * A real-time ranking in the competition scope.
> * A way to manage the list of participants and to register an
> administrator, or multiple ones, for every contest.
>
> Would this be a good idea? Would anyone like to develop some of these
> features?
>


Please be aware that a large amount of gamification systems actually hurt
the community they are trying to build. They (usually) only work in the
short-term and make the situation worse in the longer-term. The way the
current Wikidata Game is doing it is very good.
Here are some articles to read up on this topic:
* https://www.feverbee.com/participation-for-intrinsic-reasons/
* https://www.feverbee.com/blunt-instruments/
* https://www.feverbee.com/reputationsystems/
* https://www.feverbee.com/bigparticipationimpact/
* https://www.feverbee.com/dont-use-recognition-shortcuts/
* https://www.feverbee.com/superfans/

I can recommend the blog above for all kinds of interesting research-backed
information around communities.

Cheers
Lydia
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Re: [Wikidata] From the game to the competition

[Sandra Fauconnier]

Wow, these are great links, Lydia, thanks.

I, for one, would warmly welcome more well-designed games, especially in the 
distributed game framework that Magnus has built.
Not so much for the playfulness, but because it’s such an easy way to do many 
useful edits without needing deep concentration, and because I find it really 
interesting to see all the kind of content that we cover (the games allow me to 
get out of the ‘filter bubble’ in which I usually edit, which is the field of 
the visual arts).

Game-like tools that I would like to see, would include
- a sourcing game to add reference URLs from RKDartists to statements related 
to artists (birth dates, death dates, places of birth and death, professions)
- a nice and pleasant interface that allows me to state what is depicted in an 
artwork
- a better game to add Thesaurus of Geograpic Names IDs to geographic entities. 
The TGN is now in the distributed and ‘normal’ Mix’n’Match version but is hard 
to match in these. It really needs a good interface with a large map for ‘our’ 
items next to the more detailed geographical info contained in the TGN (tree 
view; is it a city/river/mountain…)

A competition element, on the other hand, would really put me off. I don’t care 
at all, I’m not in it for that and it would chase me away very quickly.

Sandra


> On 07 Feb 2016, at 10:00, Lydia Pintscher  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:08 PM David Abián  > wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> It's fantastic to see that we have such interesting tools to contribute
> to Wikidata like Magnus' games.
> 
> With Wikidata Game and The Distributed Game as a base, I think we could
> go further and get a tool that serve, not only as a game, but as a real
> competition. In particular, with the following additions and a few
> suggestions, I believe we could celebrate great /in situ/ Wikidata
> competitions over the world:
> 
> * A chronometer with a start and a scheduled end while contributions are
> registered for the contest.
> * Some quorum (e.g., three) so that edits in the contest are only
> applied to Wikidata if that quorum of people agrees on an answer.
> * A scoring system that only provide points (or much more points) to
> those who get a quorum. This avoids people answering randomly while they
> destroy Wikidata and earn more and more points.
> * A way to show the same questions to the quorum number of participants
> during the competition.
> * A real-time ranking in the competition scope.
> * A way to manage the list of participants and to register an
> administrator, or multiple ones, for every contest.
> 
> Would this be a good idea? Would anyone like to develop some of these
> features?
> 
> 
> Please be aware that a large amount of gamification systems actually hurt the 
> community they are trying to build. They (usually) only work in the 
> short-term and make the situation worse in the longer-term. The way the 
> current Wikidata Game is doing it is very good.
> Here are some articles to read up on this topic:
> * https://www.feverbee.com/participation-for-intrinsic-reasons/ 
>  
> * https://www.feverbee.com/blunt-instruments/ 
> 
> * https://www.feverbee.com/reputationsystems/ 
> 
> * https://www.feverbee.com/bigparticipationimpact/ 
> 
> * https://www.feverbee.com/dont-use-recognition-shortcuts/ 
> 
> * https://www.feverbee.com/superfans/ 
> 
> I can recommend the blog above for all kinds of interesting research-backed 
> information around communities.
> 
> Cheers
> Lydia 
> -- 
> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher 
> 
> Product Manager for Wikidata
> 
> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24
> 10963 Berlin
> www.wikimedia.de 
> 
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
> 
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter 
> der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für 
> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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[Wikidata] From the game to the competition

[David Abián]

Hi folks,

It's fantastic to see that we have such interesting tools to contribute
to Wikidata like Magnus' games.

With Wikidata Game and The Distributed Game as a base, I think we could
go further and get a tool that serve, not only as a game, but as a real
competition. In particular, with the following additions and a few
suggestions, I believe we could celebrate great /in situ/ Wikidata
competitions over the world:

* A chronometer with a start and a scheduled end while contributions are
registered for the contest.
* Some quorum (e.g., three) so that edits in the contest are only
applied to Wikidata if that quorum of people agrees on an answer.
* A scoring system that only provide points (or much more points) to
those who get a quorum. This avoids people answering randomly while they
destroy Wikidata and earn more and more points.
* A way to show the same questions to the quorum number of participants
during the competition.
* A real-time ranking in the competition scope.
* A way to manage the list of participants and to register an
administrator, or multiple ones, for every contest.

Would this be a good idea? Would anyone like to develop some of these
features?

Regards,

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Re: [Wikidata] From the game to the competition

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
David YES ... love the idea ... however, when we do it and do it good, we
should spend serious consideration on making this BIG.
Thanks,
GerardM

On 6 February 2016 at 23:07, David Abián  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> It's fantastic to see that we have such interesting tools to contribute
> to Wikidata like Magnus' games.
>
> With Wikidata Game and The Distributed Game as a base, I think we could
> go further and get a tool that serve, not only as a game, but as a real
> competition. In particular, with the following additions and a few
> suggestions, I believe we could celebrate great /in situ/ Wikidata
> competitions over the world:
>
> * A chronometer with a start and a scheduled end while contributions are
> registered for the contest.
> * Some quorum (e.g., three) so that edits in the contest are only
> applied to Wikidata if that quorum of people agrees on an answer.
> * A scoring system that only provide points (or much more points) to
> those who get a quorum. This avoids people answering randomly while they
> destroy Wikidata and earn more and more points.
> * A way to show the same questions to the quorum number of participants
> during the competition.
> * A real-time ranking in the competition scope.
> * A way to manage the list of participants and to register an
> administrator, or multiple ones, for every contest.
>
> Would this be a good idea? Would anyone like to develop some of these
> features?
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> David Abián - davidabian.com
> Vocal de Comunicación
>
> Wikimedia España
> Vega Sicilia, 2
> 47008 - Valladolid
> https://wikimedia.es
>
> Wikimedia España es una asociación sin ánimo de lucro española con
> CIF G-10413698 inscrita en el Registro Nacional de Asociaciones,
> Grupo 1, Sección 1, Núm. Nacional 597390.
>
> «Imagina un mundo en el que cada persona
> tenga acceso libre a todo el conocimiento».
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