Re: [Wikidata] Software API : {{P:part of}} or {{P:API}} ?

2016-07-13 Thread Loic Dachary 


On 13/07/2016 03:53, Thad Guidry wrote:
> Loïc
> ​,​
> 
> Yes, I highly suggest a property like that to complete the graph structure 
> between the 2 kinds of topics.
> 
> but instead of something very narrow like "provides API" you might call it 
> "provides Service" ?  Perhaps you have something along those lines already ?
> 
> Then you can just query those that provide a Service of the Class=API  ... or 
> some such... that seems more flexible with a property like "provides Service" 
>  which can be just about anything... or just simply "provides"  or "offers".
> 
> Thoughts ?  already have properties like that ?

I did not find anything like that in 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/all#Generic

Properties matching "service" 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search=500=0=default=Property%3Aservice
Properties matching "offer" 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search=500=0=default=Property%3Aoffer

And I'm not sure I understand how properties are classified (i.e. what makes 
them show up in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/all)

I guess it's when a property is an instance of a subclass of Wikidata property 
(https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18616576 ) such as "Wikidata property for items 
about organizations" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18608993 and a bot takes 
the last part of the property name to be the category ?

> 
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> Thad
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> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Loic Dachary  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Thad,
> 
> On 12/07/2016 19:27, Thad Guidry wrote:
> > OpenStreetMap  an API interface to their Software and 
> Database.
> 
> Unless I'm mistaken, there is no "provides" property at the moment. Do 
> you suggest one should be created ?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> >
> > OpenStreetMap is an Organization.
> >
> > It provides things.  It has things.
> > One thing is Software.  OpenStreeMap Maps and DB.
> > Another thing is the Software provides an API interface to retrieve 
> data from that Software.
> >
> > Looks like Wikidata does NOT currently provide a nice proper property 
> to say "provides API".
> > Ideally, it would also be shown as a "see also" here: 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2699
> >
> > An API typically "uses" a Protocol 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2700
> > another view would be to say that the API doesn't "use" a Protocol, but 
> instead that a user communicates with an API through a Protocol.
> >
> > Also, the "OpenStreetMap API" can be "used by" other Organizations and 
> Software https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1535
> >
> > I would avoid using subclass ... you could say "part of" ... but then 
> it gets lost in the shuffle with Sparql queries because there no easy way to 
> see just API Providers versus Parts of Organizations which could be anything.
> >
> > It would be much better and way cooler to easily list and see all the 
> organizations that "provide API" and even then filter on those API's by 
> different criteria and categories.
> >
> >
> > Thad
> > +ThadGuidry 
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Loic Dachary    >> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > An API such as the OpenStreetMap API ( 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q25822543 ) is a subclass of the API item 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16519, it makes sense to me that the 
> OpenStreetMap API is a part of ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P361 
> ) OpenStreetmap ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q936 ).
> >
> > Another way of looking at it would be to have an "API" property 
> which would link OpenStreetmap to its API. I'm new to wikidata and would very 
> much appreciate your advice on this.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
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Re: [Wikidata] Software API : {{P:part of}} or {{P:API}} ?

2016-07-12 Thread Loic Dachary 
Hi Thad,

On 12/07/2016 19:27, Thad Guidry wrote:
> OpenStreetMap  an API interface to their Software and Database.

Unless I'm mistaken, there is no "provides" property at the moment. Do you 
suggest one should be created ?

Cheers

> 
> OpenStreetMap is an Organization.
> 
> It provides things.  It has things.
> One thing is Software.  OpenStreeMap Maps and DB.
> Another thing is the Software provides an API interface to retrieve data from 
> that Software.
> 
> Looks like Wikidata does NOT currently provide a nice proper property to say 
> "provides API".
> Ideally, it would also be shown as a "see also" here: 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2699
> 
> An API typically "uses" a Protocol 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2700
> another view would be to say that the API doesn't "use" a Protocol, but 
> instead that a user communicates with an API through a Protocol.
> 
> Also, the "OpenStreetMap API" can be "used by" other Organizations and 
> Software https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1535
> 
> I would avoid using subclass ... you could say "part of" ... but then it gets 
> lost in the shuffle with Sparql queries because there no easy way to see just 
> API Providers versus Parts of Organizations which could be anything.
> 
> It would be much better and way cooler to easily list and see all the 
> organizations that "provide API" and even then filter on those API's by 
> different criteria and categories.
> 
> 
> Thad
> +ThadGuidry 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Loic Dachary  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> An API such as the OpenStreetMap API ( 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q25822543 ) is a subclass of the API item 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16519, it makes sense to me that the 
> OpenStreetMap API is a part of ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P361 
> ) OpenStreetmap ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q936 ).
> 
> Another way of looking at it would be to have an "API" property which 
> would link OpenStreetmap to its API. I'm new to wikidata and would very much 
> appreciate your advice on this.
> 
> Cheers
> 
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Re: [Wikidata] Software API : {{P:part of}} or {{P:API}} ?

2016-07-12 Thread Andy Mabbett 
On 12 July 2016 at 18:27, Thad Guidry  wrote:

> OpenStreetMap is an Organization.

Alternatively:

The OpenStreetMap Foundation is an organisation

OpenStreetMap is a web service, a database (and, if you must, a map -
though I usually tell people it's not a map.)

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Re: [Wikidata] Software API : {{P:part of}} or {{P:API}} ?

2016-07-12 Thread Thad Guidry 
Example please Thomas.


Thad
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On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Thomas Douillard <
thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is two things : API specs, and services that can implement that
> specs.
>
> Which property links something to the class of stuffs that represents its
> properties ? "Instance of", a pretty natural way in computing :) The spec
> is a set of property its implementations fulfills ... Problem solved :)
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Re: [Wikidata] Software API : {{P:part of}} or {{P:API}} ?

2016-07-12 Thread Thomas Douillard 
There is two things : API specs, and services that can implement that
specs.

Which property links something to the class of stuffs that represents its
properties ? "Instance of", a pretty natural way in computing :) The spec
is a set of property its implementations fulfills ... Problem solved :)
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Re: [Wikidata] Software API : {{P:part of}} or {{P:API}} ?

2016-07-12 Thread Thad Guidry 
OpenStreetMap  an API interface to their Software and Database.

OpenStreetMap is an Organization.

It provides things.  It has things.
One thing is Software.  OpenStreeMap Maps and DB.
Another thing is the Software provides an API interface to retrieve data
from that Software.

Looks like Wikidata does NOT currently provide a nice proper property to
say "provides API".
Ideally, it would also be shown as a "see also" here:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2699

An API typically "uses" a Protocol
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2700
another view would be to say that the API doesn't "use" a Protocol, but
instead that a user communicates with an API through a Protocol.

Also, the "OpenStreetMap API" can be "used by" other Organizations and
Software https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1535

I would avoid using subclass ... you could say "part of" ... but then it
gets lost in the shuffle with Sparql queries because there no easy way to
see just API Providers versus Parts of Organizations which could be
anything.

It would be much better and way cooler to easily list and see all the
organizations that "provide API" and even then filter on those API's by
different criteria and categories.


Thad
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On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Loic Dachary  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> An API such as the OpenStreetMap API (
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q25822543 ) is a subclass of the API item
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16519, it makes sense to me that the
> OpenStreetMap API is a part of (
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P361 ) OpenStreetmap (
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q936 ).
>
> Another way of looking at it would be to have an "API" property which
> would link OpenStreetmap to its API. I'm new to wikidata and would very
> much appreciate your advice on this.
>
> Cheers
>
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[Wikidata] Software API : {{P:part of}} or {{P:API}} ?

2016-07-12 Thread Loic Dachary 
Hi,

An API such as the OpenStreetMap API ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q25822543 
) is a subclass of the API item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16519, it makes 
sense to me that the OpenStreetMap API is a part of ( 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P361 ) OpenStreetmap ( 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q936 ). 

Another way of looking at it would be to have an "API" property which would 
link OpenStreetmap to its API. I'm new to wikidata and would very much 
appreciate your advice on this.

Cheers

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