[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T89852: Build a tool for synchronizing Wikidata changes into Blazegraph

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Retitled] T88717: Investigate BlazeGraph aka BigData for WDQ

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
Manybubbles changed the title from Investigate BigData for WDQ to 
Investigate BlazeGraph aka BigData for WDQ.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90102: Unique Value Constraint Check

2015-02-20 Thread Jonas.keutel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89852: Build a tool for synchronizing Wikidata changes into Blazegraph

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T89849: Investigate inference rules and truth maintenance in Blazegraph

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T89852: Build a tool for synchronizing Wikidata changes into Blazegraph

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T89849: Investigate inference rules and truth maintenance in Blazegraph

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88717: Investigate BigData for WDQ

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T89949: RDF mapping should not assert that .../entity/Q123 is-a Wikidata item

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90110: Investigate Openlink Virtuoso for WDQ

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Triaged] T90110: Investigate Openlink Virtuoso for WDQ

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90109: BlazeGraph Finalization: Zookeeper

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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  Figure out how we'll be using zookeeper.  We should answer these questions:
  Run it on the box running BlazeGraph?
  On three VMs (assuming we have the virtualization infrastructure)?
  Share with analytics?
  Why did _joe_ make sad noises when he heard it was required?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Unblock] T87183: document xml schema for sites definition

2015-02-20 Thread hoo
hoo closed blocking task T87176: Maintenance script for importing site 
definitions. as Resolved.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T87176: Maintenance script for importing site definitions.

2015-02-20 Thread hoo
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Patch merged


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T87176: Maintenance script for importing site definitions.

2015-02-20 Thread daniel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T87178: Maintenance script for exporting site definitions.

2015-02-20 Thread gerritbot
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Change 188060 merged by jenkins-bot:
Maintenance script for exporting site definitions

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/188060


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90117: BlazeGraph Finalization: Scale out plans

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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  BlazeGraph doesn't support clustering - only high availability.  So we need 
to think more up front about scaling out to more users and more data.  Is 
federated queries an answer?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T90109: BlazeGraph Finalization: Zookeeper

2015-02-20 Thread JanZerebecki
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90122: BlazeGraph Finalization: What about non-wikidata ontologies

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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  So there are lots of standard ontologies like foaf, rdf, rdfs, owl, skos, and 
lemmon.  There are so so so many standard ontologies.  When is it ok map these 
concepts into things in wikidata?  Never?  Obviously sometimes its fine for 
things like labels, aliases, and site links.  But what about statements?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88571: Figure out if Neo4j is a possible alternative to Titan

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Reassigned] T88571: Figure out if Neo4j is a possible alternative to Titan

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T88717: Investigate BlazeGraph aka BigData for WDQ

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88717#1046235, @Beebs.systap wrote:

 In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88717#1045422, @Manybubbles wrote:

  @Beebs.systap - was reviewing code and saw some documentation typos.  What 
  is your process for submitting patches?


 Best way is to get a CLA in-place:  http://www.systap.com/contribute.  We can 
 then setup you up with access in Git.


For those playing along at home this process is almost done.  Legal approved of 
the corporate CLA, told me I could sign and I've done so.  Now we're waiting 
for legal to send it in.

Also!  I'm closing this task in favor of spinning up a new one with subtasks.  
We're well and truly out of the investigation phase and into the confirmation 
phase of this choice.  Here is the task for confirmation:  
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90101 .  Yeah, its silly to have a different 
task for confirmation than for investigation, but I am silly.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T90102: Unique Value Constraint Check

2015-02-20 Thread Jonas.keutel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T90101: Finish selecting BlazeGraph for wikidata query

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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Ping @Haasepeter and @Beebs.systap on the new task for confirmation.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T90102: Unique Value Constraint Check

2015-02-20 Thread Jonas.keutel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Retitled] T90101: Confirm selection of BlazeGraph for wikidata query

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
Manybubbles changed the title from Finish selecting BlazeGraph for wikidata 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88963: Take ranks and exceptions into account

2015-02-20 Thread Jonas.keutel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T87183: document xml schema for sites definition

2015-02-20 Thread gerritbot
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Change 181391 merged by jenkins-bot:
Maintenance script for importing site info.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181391


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T87176: Maintenance script for importing site definitions.

2015-02-20 Thread gerritbot
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Change 181391 merged by jenkins-bot:
Maintenance script for importing site info.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T90100: Undefined index in HtmlTimeFormatter.php on line 111

2015-02-20 Thread aude
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T90107: Handle constraint parameter now

2015-02-20 Thread Jonas.keutel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90100: Undefined index in HtmlTimeFormatter.php on line 111

2015-02-20 Thread aude
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this is already fixed on master:

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/190998/


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T90107: Handle constraint parameter now

2015-02-20 Thread Jonas.keutel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90107: Handle constraint parameter now

2015-02-20 Thread Jonas.keutel
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  e.g. range constraints have the max-value now which has to be converted 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90110: Investigate Openlink Virtuoso for WDQ

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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The big blocker here is that Virtuoso's HA features being enterprise only.  At 
least, that is my understanding of it right now.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T87183: document xml schema for sites definition

2015-02-20 Thread hoo
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Patch merged


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T87178: Maintenance script for exporting site definitions.

2015-02-20 Thread daniel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T87183: document xml schema for sites definition

2015-02-20 Thread daniel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T89598: Convert Template:Authority_control to LUA and use Wikidata

2015-02-20 Thread Tpt
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Some Wikipedias and Wikisources already use a Lua module for Authority Control 
template. Using it also in Commons may be interesting: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Authority_control


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Triaged] T90103: BlazeGraph Finalization: Operational issues

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T90114: BlazeGraph Finalization: Update performance

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Triaged] T90114: BlazeGraph Finalization: Update performance

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Triaged] T90109: BlazeGraph Finalization: Zookeeper

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90114: BlazeGraph Finalization: Update performance

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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Assigned to myself.  Will talk to BlazeGraph developers about it in person on 
Tuesday of next week and update.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Unblock] T87183: document xml schema for sites definition

2015-02-20 Thread hoo
hoo closed blocking task T87178: Maintenance script for exporting site 
definitions. as Resolved.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T87178: Maintenance script for exporting site definitions.

2015-02-20 Thread hoo
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Patch merged


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90117: BlazeGraph Finalization: Scale out plans

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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One option might be to keep the truthy dump on nice SSDs and make sure those 
are super duper fast but to support the more reified forms only on other 
machines.  Maybe those machines use spinning disks and allow more time between 
writes?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Triaged] T90101: Confirm selection of BlazeGraph for wikidata query

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T90110: Investigate Openlink Virtuoso for WDQ

2015-02-20 Thread daniel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T90114: BlazeGraph Finalization: Update performance

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T90101: Confirm selection of BlazeGraph for wikidata query

2015-02-20 Thread daniel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T30604: Improve interlanguage links for talk pages

2015-02-20 Thread aude
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https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Associated_namespaces might 
be of some use or help with this, to know in a more structured way which 
namespaces are connected


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90121: BlazeGraph Finalization: Prefix vs Suffix

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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This should be one of the topics for our Wednesday call between @haasepeter and 
Markus.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90121: BlazeGraph Finalization: Prefix vs Suffix

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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  Wikidata toolkit uses suffix on property names to mean things like value, 
statement, and reference of this type.  This *feels like* something that 
prefixes should be for.  We need to figure out why suffixes are used here.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88717: Investigate BigData for WDQ

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88721: Investigate InfoGrid for WDQ

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89849: Investigate inference rules and truth maintenance in Blazegraph

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T89963: Deleting page without revisions fatals hook

2015-02-20 Thread JanZerebecki
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90103: BlazeGraph Finalization: Operational issues

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T89949: RDF mapping should not assert that .../entity/Q123 is-a Wikidata item

2015-02-20 Thread daniel
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Nik tells me that the HA features in Virtuoso are only available in the closed 
source enterprise version. That basically means WMF is not going to use it.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T85964: Install Java 8 on a Jenkins node

2015-02-20 Thread gerritbot
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Change 183222 abandoned by Giuseppe Lavagetto:
contint: install Java 8 on Trusty servers

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183222


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90114: BlazeGraph Finalization: Update performance

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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  We've been warned that RDF implementations tend to not like being dynamically 
updated.  Wikidata is very dynamically updated.  We need to know how BlazeGraph 
performs both and without inference while being updated under wikidata like 
load.  Currently wikidata has a normal update frequency of about an update 
very two seconds and a bursty frequency of 50 updates a second.  Each bot's 
rate limit is something like 30 updates a second.  We wouldn't force updating 
the graph in absolutely real time - we'd buffer changes, doing some merging of 
updates to the same vertexes.  In any case, this might amount to lots of 
updates.  We should figure out what kind of sustained write rate is OK.
  
  Also, BlazeGraph probably has difference write rates based on its disk 
storage which I think is different if using HA.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90115: BlazeGraph Finalization: Security Review

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  I don't think we will be able to complete a security review of BlazeGraph 
before we settle on it but we should think about it.  The relevant points are 
these:
  
  1.  We'd like to expose SPRAQL to users.  Its very powerful.  It might be 
*too* powerful because it supports:
  2.  Federated queries.  I imagine we'd have to turn that off or else it'd 
allow user to make sparql like http requests.  Maybe one day we actually have 
some federation to do and its controlled with a whitelist or something.
  3.  ORDER BY.  We _need_ order by but sometimes its implemented by 
materializing all the results in memory and then sorting them.  We would have 
to prevent pure order by queries or use SPARQL AST rewriting (a Java plugin) to 
rewrite ORDER BY queries into a safer form.  In SQL this changes:
  ```
  SELECT * FROM foo NATURAL JOIN bar NATURAL JOIN baz ORDER BY bar.name, 
baz.name
  ```
  into
  ```
  SELECT * FROM (SELECT * FROM foo NATURAL JOIN bar NATURAL JOIN baz LIMIT 
1) ORDER BY bar.name, baz.name
  ```
  
  4.  In general queries are killable and timeoutable (yay) but if they are 
able to consume the entire JVM heap then this is no longer the case.  
BlazeGraph handles this with analytic queries which aren't run on the heap 
but on a native heap.  This make controlling their memory usage simpler.  We 
really need to play with this.  Both from a performance and stability 
perspective.  It deserves both intentional trying to break it and randomized 
attack like you could generate with randomized testing ala lucene.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90116: BlazeGraph Finalization: Machine Sizing/Shaping

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  We need to figure out how machines should be shaped.  I imagine its similar 
to Elasticsearch, actually.  CPU is kind of important.  RAM is super important. 
 Smallish but fast SSDs.  But we need to investigate.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90119: BlazeGraph Finalization: RDF Issues

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  Parent issue for things related to RDF.  These questions may or may not have 
BlazeGraph specific solutions.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T86012: Port wikidata-gremlin domain specific language to Titan 0.9.0-M1

2015-02-20 Thread Smalyshev
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T88821: Port Wikidata-Gremlin to test against Neo4j

2015-02-20 Thread Smalyshev
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T75603: update documentation of high-level data model

2015-02-20 Thread Snaterlicious
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Trying to capture a high-level, conceptual view on the data model; I would like 
to use that for documentation. Please comment:
F44112: ConceptualDataModel.png https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F44112
(The low-level view can be found on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75604.)


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90098: Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel shouldn't use numerical offsets

2015-02-20 Thread hoo
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  For obvious reasons Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel shouldn't use numerical 
offsets. I see the special page in the exception logs from time to time because 
its queries seem to time out.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88577: Investigate hand building a gremlin implementation against Elasticsearch for wikidata query

2015-02-20 Thread Smalyshev
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T85298: Figure out quantity representation

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T87307: Analyze indexes used for the engine

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88821: Port Wikidata-Gremlin to test against Neo4j

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88549: Investigate ArangoDB for Wikidata Query

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88551: Find another TinkerPop 3 implementation to add to the Wikidata Query candidate list

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88571: Figure out if Neo4j is a possible alternative to Titan

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88299: Must use an order preserving data type

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T87307: Analyze indexes used for the engine

2015-02-20 Thread Smalyshev
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Closing as not relevant after the Titan's demise.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Declined] T87627: Update links/refs Data model according to discussed on MW Summit

2015-02-20 Thread Smalyshev
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T75813: Investigate OrientDB for WDQ

2015-02-20 Thread Smalyshev
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T88549: Investigate ArangoDB for Wikidata Query

2015-02-20 Thread Smalyshev
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90100: Undefined index in HtmlTimeFormatter.php on line 111

2015-02-20 Thread hoo
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That was me testing on testwikidata... 
https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q68.json


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90123: BlazeGraph Finalization: Value representation

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  Wikidata's values are pretty impressive.  They either have or will have:
  * A central value
  * A min and max (its like error from college physics courses)
  * A precision
  * Units
  
  This is true for simple stuff like height, length, temperature, and volume.  
And for geographic coordinants.
  
  Units can mostly be normalized but not entirely.  So things like height and 
length will mostly be in a single domain (meters) but it'll also be in other 
domains.  In wikidata will be valid to set your unit of measure to anything.  
This follows wikidata's normal no schema approach.  So we'll have most 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T89949: RDF mapping should not assert that .../entity/Q123 is-a Wikidata item

2015-02-20 Thread mkroetzsch
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89949#1052731, @daniel wrote:

 Nik tells me that the HA features in Virtuoso are only available in the 
 closed source enterprise version. That basically means WMF is not going to 
 use it in production.


Yes, I guessed that this would cause issues. I don't know which other tool 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90124: BlazeGraph Finalization: Verify features work

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Declined] T88715: WDQ: Investigate Bitsy for single node users - assuming it supports TinkerPop 3 and we're still using TinkerPop 3

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89849: BlazeGraph Finalization: Investigate inference rules and truth maintenance

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Retitled] T89849: BlazeGraph Finalization: Investigate inference rules and truth maintenance

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90130: BlazeGraph Finalization: Geo

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  We'll need filtering and sorting based on distance.  We support different 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T90129: BlazeGraph Finalization: Range Queries

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90123: BlazeGraph Finalization: Value representation

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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Another point: units are identified by URIs.  They usually point to wikidata.  
If they don't, do we just throw them out?

What about dates?  Dates have a celendar model instead of units.

And coordinants have globes which are also URIs.  Also hopefully pointing to 
wikidata.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T89852: Build a tool for synchronizing Wikidata changes into Blazegraph

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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This is slightly less important than validating that BlazeGraph works.  
Lowering priority.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T88715: WDQ: Investigate Bitsy for single node users - assuming it supports TinkerPop 3 and we're still using TinkerPop 3

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T88571: Figure out if Neo4j is a possible alternative to Titan

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Lowered Priority] T89852: Build a tool for synchronizing Wikidata changes into Blazegraph

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T89949: RDF mapping should not assert that .../entity/Q123 is-a Wikidata item

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89949#1052955, @mkroetzsch wrote:

 In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89949#1052731, @daniel wrote:

  Nik tells me that the HA features in Virtuoso are only available in the 
  closed source enterprise version. That basically means WMF is not going to 
  use it in production.


 Yes, I guessed that this would cause issues. I don't know which other tool 
 could deliver the performance you need though. 4Store is free, too, but may 
 not be active enough since 5Store became the main (closed) product; it may 
 also lack some features you need. Beyond this, the only free options (beyond 
 research prototypes) are Jena and Sesame (OpenRDF). I think they won't scale 
 to what we need.


For reference http://www.pilod.nl/wiki/Virtuoso_questions:

  What are the differences between the open source and the closed source 
version of Virtuoso?
  The main differences are the following which are closed source only:
  * Clustering  High Availability
  * Virtual Database
  * Replication
  * ACL control over large numbers of graphs 

High availability and replication are trouble for us.  Just having an 
enterprise edition causes us to lower the score in general.  Even though we 
don't need any of the CUDA stuff that Systap has for BlazeGraph it still lowers 
their score from the foundation's perspective.  The trouble is that we 
anticipate conflict of interest issues if.  We can always fork but that puts us 
in an undesirable position of being (probably) the only user of our fork.

I've still reached out to its authors to see what they say if they open source 
their HA and replication code then we'd seriously consider them.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T90124: BlazeGraph Finalization: Verify features work

2015-02-20 Thread Manybubbles
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