[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Reopened] T111576: DNS errors on WDQS hosts

2015-09-21 Thread Smalyshev
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T111576: DNS errors on WDQS hosts

2015-09-21 Thread Smalyshev
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For some reason still happens, need to check again what's going on.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T111576: DNS errors on WDQS hosts

2015-09-21 Thread Smalyshev
Smalyshev moved this task to In progress on the 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Thryduulf
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Speaking as someone who typical updates entries that are not scientific in 
nature, defaulting to any level of precision other than ±0 is incorrect and 
infuriating. When I enter a numerical value for something I want the displayed 
and stored data to match the input I give exactly. e.g. when I say the number 
of trains on a particular funicular railway is 2, assuming I mean 2±1 is 
incorrect. When I input the length of the Sheffield Supertram system as 29km, 
assuming I mean 29±1km is incorrect - I assume it's actually 29±0.5km but the 
source does not say. When I enter the width for 2134mm track gauge as 7ft, 
assuming I mean 7±1 ft is incorrect - the gauge is defined as a nominal 7ft 
exactly, with different actual spacing and different tolerances in specific 
applications.

The simplest way around this from an end users point of view that I can think 
is to have a qualifier associated with all numerical values that is used to 
record the uncertainty. If this qualifier is not present then assume the 
uncertainty is unknown. In all cases where the entry is currently ±1 or ±0.5 we 
will have to assume the uncertainty is unknown - this will be correct in far 
more cases than it is not.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T92275: browsertest jobs should not be allowed to run for 10 hours

2015-09-21 Thread greg
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T108457: Remove extensions/DataTypes git repo

2015-09-21 Thread demon
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112893: [Task] Investigate how and where data model objects are instanciated in our code base

2015-09-21 Thread Bene
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112893#1657772, @JeroenDeDauw wrote:

> Thanks for looking at this. Those findings are not surprising - such 
> construction ought to occur primarily in the data access layer and 
> deserialization code.


Indeed, our code seems to handle the construction of value objects in a very 
nice way.

> Any reason you did not include `EntityId` and derivatives?


Those aren't important for the current RFC that is adressed by this 
investigation because we already have an abstract base interface with 
`EntityId`.

> Why did you exclude the tests? If I'm not mistaken the reason for having this 
> investigation task is to get an idea of the cost of making breaking changes. 
> That cost applies just as well to test code as to production code.


Yes, but fixing the tests should be very easy in most cases by replacing the 
constructor calls to some random implementation. However, it would be nice if 
all the tests would cover all implementations of the data model that we are 
going to implement. Just for record: There are of course a lot of constructor 
calls in the tests.

> What do you mean with "our codebase"? Which code did you include in this 
> analysis? Is it everything that needs to be maintained by the Wikidata team, 
> or just Client, Lib and Repository?


For now, I only looked into the Wikibase.git repository and its dependencies 
but we also need to check our other extensions. We should add the usages from 
there to the list.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread daniel
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@Mike_Peel "show", of course! It's amazing how blind I am when I already "know" 
what I am reading...


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Mike_Peel
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1660601, @daniel wrote:

> @Mike_Peel Thanks for the links! Especially M3003 looks like a very useful 
> reference.
>
> In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1660493, @Mike_Peel wrote:
>
> > In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1660386, @daniel wrote:
> >
> > > - it's nearly always wrong to assume absolute precision (+/-0) per 
> > > default (notable exceptions are definitions and exact counts).
> >
> >
> > I don't think anyone was suggesting that. Using a default of 0 in the 
> > database would be one way of recording that the uncertainty is unknown, not 
> > assuming absolute precision.
>
>
> We still need a way to specify absolute precision when applicable. For 
> instance, a foot is //exactly// 0,3048m, because it is defined to be so. The 
> speed of light is //exactly// 299792458m/s, because that's how the meter is 
> defined.


That's true.

> > > - should we should the uncertainty interval per default if it is 
> > > different from the one we would have guessed?

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > I think these got mangled?

> 

> 

> That's the sentence as I intended to write it... I'll try to rephrase:

> 

> We could omit the uncertainty from output if it is exactly what is implied by 
> the decimal notation, using the applicable convention about significant 
> digits. For example, if our algorithm would produce +/-0.5 for the input 
> "3m", then 3m+/-0.5 would be written as simply 3m (because the stored 
> uncertainty is equal to the uncertainty implied by the number as written). 
> This may be a viable option to un-clutter the user visible output if we 
> decide to always store the uncertainty interval explicitly, as we do now.


Did you mean 'show' rather than the second 'should' in each of those sentences? 
I firmly hold that we should only be showing the uncertainty if it has been 
entered by the editor, and we should show that uncertainty regardless of 
whether it matches an assumed uncertainty or not.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread daniel
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@Mike_Peel Thanks for the links! Especially M3003 looks like a very useful 
reference.

In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1660493, @Mike_Peel wrote:

> In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1660386, @daniel wrote:
>
> > - it's nearly always wrong to assume absolute precision (+/-0) per default 
> > (notable exceptions are definitions and exact counts).
>
>
> I don't think anyone was suggesting that. Using a default of 0 in the 
> database would be one way of recording that the uncertainty is unknown, not 
> assuming absolute precision.


We still need a way to specify absolute precision when applicable. For 
instance, a foot is //exactly// 0,3048m, because it is defined to be so. The 
speed of light is //exactly// 299792458m/s, because that's how the meter is 
defined.

> > - should we should the uncertainty interval per default if it is different 
> > from the one we would have guessed?

> 

> 

> I think these got mangled?


That's the sentence as I intended to write it... I'll try to rephrase:

We could omit the uncertainty from output if it is exactly what is implied by 
the decimal notation, using the applicable convention about significant digits. 
For example, if our algorithm would produce +/-0.5 for the input "3m", then 
3m+/-0.5 would be written as simply 3m (because the stored uncertainty is equal 
to the uncertainty implied by the number as written). This may be a viable 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T108404: [Story] create a Wikidata analytics dashboard

2015-09-21 Thread Christopher
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Using the analytics supported limn infrastructure is part of the dynamic metric 
data set creation.  (This should be created as a new and independent task).  
From what I have gathered, the limn front end graphs have been deprecated.  
Whether or not shiny is "supported" is not relevant to this task.  A decision 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Mike_Peel
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BTW, relevant internationally-agreed standards here include:

- ISO 17025 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_17025
- UKAS M3003 - 
http://www.ukas.com/library/Technical-Information/Pubs-Technical-Articles/Pubs-List/M3003_Ed3_final.pdf


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Mike_Peel
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1660386, @daniel wrote:

> It seems like are are approaching an agreement on a few points:
>
> - it's nearly always wrong to assume absolute precision (+/-0) per default 
> (notable exceptions are definitions and exact counts).


I don't think anyone was suggesting that. Using a default of 0 in the database 
would be one way of recording that the uncertainty is unknown, not assuming 
absolute precision.

> - it's important to apply rounding based on uncertainty (resp significant 
> digits) when //converting//, to avoid the introduction of false precision 
> ("spurious" digits). This applies to conversion for display and also to 
> normalization for indexing/querying.


Agree

> - the //magnitude// of the uncertainty interval should be order of magnitude 
> of the least significant digit (not twice that -- so +/-0.5, not +/-1).


Agree

> These are the most crucial points to me. Points that are still open are:

> 

> - if no uncertainty is given in the input, should we derive and store it 
> immediately? Or should we then store "unknown" uncertainty, and calculate the 
> uncertainty interval when needed?


The latter, please.

> - should we should the uncertainty interval per default if it was not 
> explicitly entered?

> - should we should the uncertainty interval per default if it is different 
> from the one we would have guessed?


I think these got mangled?

> I think we should reach an agreement about these as soon as possible, to 
> avoid more "bad" data in the database.


Agree


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T110410: [Bug] Unhandled StatementGuidParsingException in ChangeOpStatement (via ModifyEntity)

2015-09-21 Thread aude
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@JanZerebecki I think someone was using our api in an unusual way and thi 
sstill probably can happen


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112893: [Task] Investigate how and where data model objects are instanciated in our code base

2015-09-21 Thread daniel
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I think it's useful to have separate numbers for the tests, but I agree that we 
should know those numbers too, since we need to fix these instances too.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread daniel
daniel added a comment.

It seems like are are approaching an agreement on a few points:

- it's wrong to assume absolute precision (+/-0) per default
- it's important to apply rounding based on uncertainty (resp significant 
digits) when //converting//, to avoid the introduction of false precision 
("spurious" digits). This applies to conversion for display and also to 
normalization for indexing/querying.
- the //magnitude// of the uncertainty interval should be order of magnitude of 
the least significant digit (not twice that -- so +/-0.5, not +/-1).

These are the most crucial points to me. Points that are still open are:

- if no uncertainty is given in the input, should we derive and store it 
immediately? Or should we then store "unknown" uncertainty, and calculate the 
uncertainty interval when needed?
- should we should the uncertainty interval per default if it was not 
explicitly entered?
- should we should the uncertainty interval per default if it is different from 
the one we would have guessed?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Jc3s5h
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1660251, @Mike_Peel wrote, in part:

>




> ...The standard approach in astronomy (which is the part of the scientific 
> literature that I'm most familiar with, as a scientist working in that field) 
> is to quote a number along with the uncertainty and the significance level 
> associated with that uncertainty.


I think that's the standard approach in most fields of science and engineering, 
in the most serious works, for numbers that are the main focus of the article, 
chapter, book, etc. But these kind of sources are not always readily available 
to Wikidata contributors. Wikidata contributors may use other databases, or 
articles intended for a popular audience, which are reliable but lack explicit 
statements about uncertainty. The Wikidata numbers might also come from sources 
that mention a number in passing and so do not explicitly state an uncertainty.

Unfortunately trying to impose a rule that only the //best// sources may be 
used to introduce data into Wikidata just isn't going to happen.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Jc3s5h
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1657997, @daniel wrote in part:

> @Jc3s5h what, then, would be an example for a reliable/acceptable source 
> giving us a number with no hint at the uncertainty? When should we consider 
> an uncertainty unsourced? If Nature gives the size of a crater on Mars in 
> kilometers, what uncertainty should we assume, and should it be considered 
> sourced?


We must also allow for the case where there is no reliable source. Normally a 
reliable source would give us an uncertainty, implicitly or explicitly; the 
main exception that comes to mind would be a quantity that is just mentioned in 
passing; something that is not the main focus of the document. "Explicitly" 
would include a description of the method used to determine the quantity, 
including the accuracy of the method, even if the description was in a 
different part of the document. "Implicitly" usually be the number of 
significant figures for the item in Wikidata, together with the number of 
significant figures for other items in the source measured in the same way. If 
a source described a method for measuring the elevation of mountain summits, 
then said the elevation of Mt. X was 2013 m, Mt. Y was 2000 m, and Mt. Z was 
7253 m, we have a sourced statement that the uncertainty of Mt Y is 2000 m ± a 
few meters.

> I'm afraid the distinction of sourced vs unsourced uncertainty makes things 
> harder to handle in code and more difficult to understand for users.

> 

> I suggest we do what we always do, really: we assume that people follow the 
> establish conventions when entering data. Most people never think of 
> significant digits or uncertainties explicitly, but we all used the concept 
> intuitively, all the time, when we say that the store is "two hundreds yards 
> away" or it's "170 Miles to Sometown".


I agree.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T108404: [Story] create a Wikidata analytics dashboard

2015-09-21 Thread JanZerebecki
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We discussed using a dashboard that is used by many departments in the WMF and 
is supported by Analytics instead of shiny. How does that factor into the next 
steps?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Mike_Peel
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1657039, @daniel wrote:

> In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1656985, @Mike_Peel wrote:
>
> > > If we did not plan to support unit conversion, I would be ready to go 
> > > along with your argument. We would simply say we don't know th precision. 
> > > With unit conversion however we can't do this. And relying on the 
> > > conventions for specifying significant digits seems the best we can do.
> >
> >
> > That makes sense in the back-end to make sure that converted values have 
> > reasonable levels of precision, but does it have to be in the front-end as 
> > well, or stored in the database? A line of code that checks whether the 
> > uncertainty has been set or not, and assumes a minimum uncertainty for 
> > conversion purposes, should handle this issue smoothly, without 
> > mis-estimates of the uncertainty of the given value being displayed to 
> > readers.
>
>
> We can of course discuss if, when and how the explicit +/-X is shown to the 
> user.  I'm completely open to that. One sensible suggestion was to hide it if 
> the actual uncertainty is the same as what we would assume from the decimal 
> representation. In that case, it's OK to hide it, I think. Maybe also if the 
> precision is better than what we would assume. Maybe. But in any case it's 
> crucial to understand that we *have* do consider uncertainty everywhere if we 
> want to allow conversion.


That wouldn't work: the uncertainty should be shown if it is an 
accurate/referenced uncertainty, and that shouldn't depend on whether it's more 
or less than the assumed uncertainty. We should simply say what the uncertainty 
is if we have it, or say that we don't have an uncertainty if we don't.

> I think it makes sense to store the uncertainty in the database, since *if* 
> we assume an uncertainty at some point, users should be able to see, check, 
> modify, and compare it. Also, we need to be able to apply unit conversion for 
> queries, otherwise we couldn't compare feet to meter. And we have to take 
> uncertainty into account, so we know that 2m +/- 0.5 "matches" 7.2ft +/-0.1. 
> it's not *exactly* the same of course, but these two values were not exact to 
> begin with, so they should match.

> 

> We could store "unknown", and then re-calculate the uncertainty every time we 
> need it, but why? What would that gain us?


It would be an accurate way to represent the data that we have, and to clearly 
mark where we don't have uncertainties. It would avoid corrupting the database 
by mixing sourced and assumed uncertainties. We shouldn't be encouraging people 
to alter the assumed uncertainty used for conversion purposes (which they might 
do, e.g. to tweak how the converted number shows), as that would corrupt the 
database even more - we should instead be asking them to source the actual 
uncertainties. IMO there's a lot of up-sides to adopting this approach, and no 
significant down-sides.

> > > We are not making one up. The precision is given implicitly in the 
> > > decimal notation of the number, using the convention of significant 
> > > digits.  This is quite unambiguous for cases like 3.20 (three significant 
> > > digits) or 2.3e3 (2300 with two significant digits). It's ambiguous for 
> > > input like 200 or 1700 - there's a good chance that the zeros are 
> > > insignificant, but we don't really know. We should improve our UI to help 
> > > the user with correct input.

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > I'm not convinced that the implicit assumption you're making here will work 
> > for most situations, so it really shouldn't be displayed to the reader. We 
> > should definitely be encouraging editors to add more accurate estimates of 
> > uncertainties at the same as the numbers are added though!

> 

> 

> I absolutely agree.

> 

> > One thing I'm particularly worried about here is that there doesn't seem to 
> > be a good way to tell assumed uncertainties and referenced uncertainties 
> > apart - which will be a huge headache to fix once this data format is in 
> > common usage! So please, let's get this right asap!

> 

> 

> Well, in scientific literature at least, a number like 2.30 or 2.3e3 has a 
> definite uncertainty (resp significant digits). It's given by convention of 
> the notation. Would you consider that a guess, or a sourced uncertainty?


It's a guess unless it's explicitly stated that the uncertainty is at that 
level, or that the work is following that convention. The standard approach in 
astronomy (which is the part of the scientific literature that I'm most 
familiar with, as a scientist working in that field) is to quote a number along 
with the uncertainty and the significance level associated with that 
uncertainty.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T113180: Create semantic definitions for Wikidata Metrics

2015-09-21 Thread JanZerebecki
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https://image.slidesharecdn.com/smwworkshop-08-111006052002-phpapp02/95/semantic-mediawiki-workshop-83-728.jpg
 ;)

The OWL at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/239855/1/assets/metrics.owl,cm 
only says that a few concepts are each a subclass of KPI. So as far as I 
understand this version of the OWL currently only consists of truisms. That 
makes it hard to see what it will become or what the goal is, so I have 
questions:

Who is the intended consumer of these semantic definitions?
What features in the dashboard will use data from the semantic definitions?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Mike_Peel
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1657997, @daniel wrote:

> @Jc3s5h what, then, would be an example for a reliable/acceptable source 
> giving us a number with no hint at the uncertainty? When should we consider 
> an uncertainty unsourced? If Nature gives the size of a crater on Mars in 
> kilometers, what uncertainty should we assume, and should it be considered 
> sourced?


If a number is published without an uncertainty next to it, then assuming an 
uncertainty definitely shouldn't be counted as 'sourced'! Unless the 
article/journal specifically states that all numbers have an uncertainty of 1 
in their last significant digit.

> I'm afraid the distinction of sourced vs unsourced uncertainty makes things 
> harder to handle in code and more difficult to understand for users.


I think this is vital, though. How else would you (or reusers) tell whether a 
number *actually* has an uncertainty of 1 in the last significant digit or 
whether that has just been assumed for conversion purposes?

> I suggest we do what we always do, really: we assume that people follow the 
> establish conventions when entering data. Most people never think of 
> significant digits or uncertainties explicitly, but we all used the concept 
> intuitively, all the time, when we say that the store is "two hundreds yards 
> away" or it's "170 Miles to Sometown".


Please just keep it simple. Accept the given central value, but don't 
automatically assume an uncertainty for it, and don't show that in the user 
interface.  Ask people to provide uncertainties wherever possible. If there 
isn't a given uncertainty, then use the number of significant digits when 
converting numbers to make sure that the post-conversion number has sensible 
numbers of digits, and include a discussion of that in the documentation 
describing the conversion process.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T100852: Explorer shows up twice if * is cliecked twice

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Unblock] T111405: Link to wiki page from https://query.wikidata.org to collect user feedback

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T111403: Set up Google Form to collect user feedback on Wikidata Query Service

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T111405: Link to wiki page from https://query.wikidata.org to collect user feedback

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T111403: Set up Google Form to collect user feedback on Wikidata Query Service

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T111403: Set up Google Form to collect user feedback on Wikidata Query Service

2015-09-21 Thread Deskana
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This was done using a wiki page in the end, for legal reasons.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T111405: Link to wiki page from https://query.wikidata.org to collect user feedback

2015-09-21 Thread Deskana
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T111405: Link to wiki page from https://query.wikidata.org to collect user feedback

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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Change 239149 merged by jenkins-bot:
Add feedback form to Wikidata Query Service GUI.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239149


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T111405: Link to wiki page from https://query.wikidata.org to collect user feedback

2015-09-21 Thread Deskana
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111405#1654970, @Deskana wrote:

> Yeah, I'm going to change the editnotice for the header to give people 
> guidance.


Now done.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T110664: [Task] keep usage tracking stats over time

2015-09-21 Thread JanZerebecki
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To run this on stat1003 (1002 was my error, it is the wrong one, as it is more 
for hadoop stuff) other stuff like it currently is just checked out from gerrit 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T110889: [Bug] Catchable fatal error: Argument 5 passed to DataUpdateHookHandlers::onArticleDeleteComplete() must implement interface Content, null

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T110410: [Bug] Unhandled StatementGuidParsingException in ChangeOpStatement (via ModifyEntity)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T112070: [Bug] Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Wikibase\Lib\AutoCommentFormatter::__construct() must be an instance of Language, StubUs

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T112003: [Bug] [TermLookupException] (EntityRetrievingTermLookup.php:134) The entity could not be loaded

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76011: commons file search that includes structured data

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T75130: Skip images when required attribution is impossible

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76006: code cleanup and refactoring of the mediawiki file page to be able to store structured data in it

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76012: make use of new entity type for multimedia / structured data of media files

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76009: upload wizard with structured data

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76016: user interface for structured data on Commons

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76042: properties on wikidata.org to describe multimedia / commons files

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76015: model commons domain

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76886: Investigate computer vision image classification and description tools for shadow tags and search descriptions

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76024: Post data model documentation from structured data bootcamp

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T76017: figure out relationship between storing, editing and displaying structured data

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T78489: Multimedia search by copyright status

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89594: Use the arbitrary access to Wikidata feature on Commons (tracking)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89600: Convert Template:Artwork to LUA and use Wikidata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89597: Convert Template:Creator to Lua and use Wikidata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T87686: Categories are metadata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T77597: Use new high-level metadata class in MediaViewer

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89599: Convert Template:Institution to Lua and use Wikidata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89598: Convert Template:Authority_control to Lua and use Wikidata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T88685: Edit image metadata in remote repositories from the downstream wiki

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T77770: Review public domain calculators to identify legally relevant metadata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T89601: Build a Multilingual tag alternative in LUA using data from Wikidata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T71456: [Story] Use MediaViewer on commonsMedia properties on Wikibase repo

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T71456: [Story] Use MediaViewer on commonsMedia properties on Wikibase repo

2015-09-21 Thread Jdforrester-WMF
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Mass-removing the Multimedia tag from MediaViewer tasks, as this is now being 
worked on by the Reading department, not Editing's Multimedia team.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T108404: [Story] create a Wikidata analytics dashboard

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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Change 239855 had a related patch set uploaded (by Christopher Johnson (WMDE)):
changes per prototype review adds preliminary owl for metric definitions adds 
dates and percentage to infoBox reorganizes tabs adds items as a separate graph

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239855


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T108404: [Story] create a Wikidata analytics dashboard

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T85385: Implement "Monolingual text" in Pywikibot

2015-09-21 Thread Lokal_Profil
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread daniel
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@Jc3s5h what, then, would be an example for a reliable/acceptable source giving 
us a number with no hint at the uncertainty? When should we consider an 
uncertainty unsourced? If Nature gives the size of a crated on Mars in 
Kilometers, what uncertainty should we assume, and should it be considered 
sourced?

I'm afraid the distinction of sourced vs unsourced uncertainty makes things 
harder to handle in code and more difficult to understand for users.

I suggest we do what we always do, really: we assume that people follow the 
establish conventions when entering data. Most people never thing of 
significant digits or uncertainties explicitly, be we all used the concept 
intuitively, all the time, when we say that the sort is "two hundreds yards 
away" or it's "170 Miles to Sometown".


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T105623: [Task] Investigate quantification of quantity precision (+/- 1 or +/- 0.5)

2015-09-21 Thread Jc3s5h
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623#1657039, @daniel wrote, in part:

>




> We can of course discuss if, when and how the explicit +/-X is shown to the 
> user.  I'm completely open to that. One sensible suggestion was to hide it if 
> the actual uncertainty is the same as what we would assume from the decimal 
> representation. In that case, it's OK to hide it, I think. Maybe also if the 
> precision is better than what we would assume. Maybe. But in any case it's 
> crucial to understand that we *have* do consider uncertainty everywhere if we 
> want to allow conversion.


I would always show the uncertainty if it comes from a source. This would let 
editors know that checking the uncertainty of a number is a lower priority than 
unsourced guesses about uncertainty. It also lets a reader know the referenced 
source could be checked to verify the uncertainty, in case what the reader was 
really interested in was the uncertainty of the number.

> We could store "unknown", and then re-calculate the uncertainty every time we 
> need it, but why? What would that gain us?


We could store the guess about uncertainty, but also mark it as unknown, so 
data consumers would be on notice they really ought to find a better source if 
they care about the uncertainty.

> Well, in scientific literature at least, a number like 2.30 or 2.3e3 has a 
> definite uncertainty (resp significant digits). It's given by convention of 
> the notation. Would you consider that a guess, or a sourced uncertainty?


In a scientific source I would certainly consider 2.30 or 2.3e3 as a sourced 
uncertainty if it was from a scientific source. For a number like 2300, I would 
also regard it as a sourced uncertainty. But I would also infer that the 
uncertainty of the number was not especially important in the article, or that 
the article, although from a scientific organization, was intended for a 
popular audience, or both. An example is a recent press release from the US 
Geological Survey, giving the elevation of Mt. Denali to the nearest foot. We 
can tell it is intended for a popular audience because the uncertainty was not 
explicitly stated, and because the elevation was given only in feet. One would 
expect that when the peer-reviewed journal article comes out, the primary unit 
of length will be the meter, with perhaps an occasional conversion to feet.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112893: [Task] Investigate how and where data model objects are instanciated in our code base

2015-09-21 Thread JeroenDeDauw
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Thanks for looking at this. Those findings are not surprising - such 
construction ought to occur primarily in the data access layer and 
deserialization code.

Any reason you did not include `EntityId` and derivatives?

Why did you exclude the tests? If I'm not mistaken the reason for having this 
investigation task is to get an idea of the cost of making breaking changes. 
That cost applies just as well to test code as to production code.

What do you mean with "our codebase"? Which code did you include in this 
analysis? Is it everything that needs to be maintained by the Wikidata team, or 
just Client, Lib and Repository?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T100123: API code 'readonly' not handled

2015-09-21 Thread XZise
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Here now test.wikipedia.org using `action=edit`: 
https://travis-ci.org/xZise/pywikibot-core/jobs/81350911#L3393


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T113219: Use settings instead of constants for Wikidata property and item ids

2015-09-21 Thread aude
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TASK DESCRIPTION
  In the setup file (WikibaseQualityExternalValidation.php) some constants are 
set for several Wikidata property and item ids.
  
  To make this configurable (e.g. for test.wikidata), it would be nicer imho if 
these were settings.
  
  // Ids of certain Wikidata entities   
  
  if( !defined( 'INSTANCE_OF_PID' ) ) { 
  
  define( 'INSTANCE_OF_PID', 'P31' );   
  
  } 
  
  if( !defined( 'IDENTIFIER_PROPERTY_QID' ) ) { 
  
  define( 'IDENTIFIER_PROPERTY_QID', 'Q19847637' ); 
  
  } 
  
  if( !defined( 'STATED_IN_PID' ) ) {   
  
  define( 'STATED_IN_PID', 'P248' );
  
  }

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Up For Grabs] T98286: [Task] Deploy usage tracking and arbitrary access to zhwiki

2015-09-21 Thread Liuxinyu970226
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112804: [Bug] When coalescing changes on the client, the diff is computed incorrectly, leading to changes being ignored.

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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Change 239803 merged by jenkins-bot:
Fix diffs for coalesced changes

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239803


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T98286: [Task] Deploy usage tracking and arbitrary access to zhwiki

2015-09-21 Thread Liuxinyu970226
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98286#1613341, @Shizhao wrote:

> have done?


Yeah, see https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/37283540


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Unblock] T49288: [Epic] Track Wikidata entity usage on client pages

2015-09-21 Thread Liuxinyu970226
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Unblock] T110339: [Task] Deploy usage tracking on all client wikis on the Wikimedia cluster

2015-09-21 Thread Liuxinyu970226
Liuxinyu970226 closed blocking task T98286: [Task] Deploy usage tracking and 
arbitrary access to zhwiki as "Resolved".

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112804: [Bug] When coalescing changes on the client, the diff is computed incorrectly, leading to changes being ignored.

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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Change 239803 had a related patch set uploaded (by Aude):
Fix diffs for coalesced changes

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239803


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T112804: [Bug] When coalescing changes on the client, the diff is computed incorrectly, leading to changes being ignored.

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T112426: [Bug] Querying Wikipedia for langlinks doesn't work for be-tarask, but works for be-x-old

2015-09-21 Thread Liuxinyu970226
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T112647: [Task] Investigation: how to handle the rename of a site id in Wikidata

2015-09-21 Thread Liuxinyu970226
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T113033: [Task] Remove use of RawMode in WikibaseQualityExternalValidation

2015-09-21 Thread aude
aude moved this task to Backlog on the Wikidata-Sprint-2015-09-15 workboard.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112070: [Bug] Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Wikibase\Lib\AutoCommentFormatter::__construct() must be an instance of Language, StubUserLang giv

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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Change 239368 merged by jenkins-bot:
Unstub $wgLang before passing to AutoCommentFormatter

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239368


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T113215: Allow adding more interlanguage link to articles that already have some links without going to the item page in the repo

2015-09-21 Thread adrianheine
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T113215: Allow adding more interlanguage link to articles that already have some links without going to the item page in the repo

2015-09-21 Thread Amire80
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TASK DESCRIPTION
  Adding interlanguage links (sitelinks) to an article that doesn't have any 
links currently already works well: The editor sees a dialog box that does 
everything needed without leaving Wikipedia, in the user's own language and 
without ever leaving the page. This is awesome, and it should work the same way 
for adding links to a page that already has some.
  
  This was discussed on Wikidata-L a while ago, and it came up again in a 
discussion I had with a Hebrew Wikipedia editor. I was kinda surprised when I 
couldn't find an existing Phab ticket for this, so here, I'm creating it.
  
  Some older discussions:
  - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2015-January/005338.html
  - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2015-January/005340.html
  - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2015-January/005341.html
  - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2015-January/005342.html
  - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2015-January/005344.html

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112795: [Task] update link from bugzilla to phabricator in composer.json in Wikibase-JavaScript-Api

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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Change 239777 merged by jenkins-bot:
Correct issues link in composer.json

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239777


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T112795: [Task] update link from bugzilla to phabricator in composer.json in Wikibase-JavaScript-Api

2015-09-21 Thread Addshore
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+2ed, should be merged in the next seconds


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112795: [Task] update link from bugzilla to phabricator in composer.json in Wikibase-JavaScript-Api

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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Change 239777 had a related patch set uploaded (by D3r1ck01):
Added link pointed to by issues.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239777


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T112795: [Task] update link from bugzilla to phabricator in composer.json in Wikibase-JavaScript-Api

2015-09-21 Thread gerritbot
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T112795: [Task] update link from bugzilla to phabricator in composer.json in Wikibase-JavaScript-Api

2015-09-21 Thread D3r1ck01
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112795: [Task] update link from bugzilla to phabricator in composer.json in Wikibase-JavaScript-Api

2015-09-21 Thread D3r1ck01
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Hi, this is a very cool and simple task to be done for a short time. I will 
like to work on this bug. Is it still open?


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