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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Block] T18976: Wikis waiting for creation (tracking)

2017-08-16 Thread MF-Warburg

MF-Warburg created subtask T173471: Create Wikibooks Bashkir.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T125493: [RfC] Order of data in Wikidata

2017-08-16 Thread Bugreporter

Bugreporter added a subtask: T173432: Sort claims of a property by point in time.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T173432: Sort claims of a property by point in time

2017-08-16 Thread Bugreporter

Bugreporter added a parent task: T125493: [RfC] Order of data in Wikidata.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T164173: Cache invalidations coming from the JobQueue are causing lag on several wikis

2017-08-16 Thread Marostegui

Marostegui added a comment.

In T164173#3528312, @thcipriani wrote:

In T164173#3527782, @Marostegui wrote:
@hoo this happened again just now. As we talked during wikimania here is the ping again...do you happen to know if this is about to be released this week in the end? :-)


Any fix that landed in wikibase before the wmf.14 build (https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikiData/tree/wmf/1.30.0-wmf.14) will roll to group1 wikis with the train happening at 19:00UTC today.


Thanks! Does that mean it would need to appear here?: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.30/wmf.14TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164173EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: daniel, MarosteguiCc: thcipriani, Jrbranaa, PokestarFan, Agabi10, gerritbot, Krinkle, aaron, MZMcBride, daniel, Ladsgroup, hoo, Marostegui, Aklapper, jcrespo, GoranSMilovanovic, Th3d3v1ls, Hfbn0, QZanden, Vali.matei, Minhnv-2809, Zppix, Izno, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, aude, faidon, Mbch331, Jay8g, Krenair, fgiunchedi___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T172378: Migrate tests to constraint statement parameters

2017-08-16 Thread gerritbot

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Change 372171 had a related patch set uploaded (by Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE); owner: Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE)):
[mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseQualityConstraints@master] Migrate SpecialConstraintReportTest to statement parameters

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T164173: Cache invalidations coming from the JobQueue are causing lag on several wikis

2017-08-16 Thread greg

greg added a parent task: T171877: Update grafana dashboard for WikiPageUpdater to use new statsd keys.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T171877: Update grafana dashboard for WikiPageUpdater to use new statsd keys

2017-08-16 Thread greg

greg added a subtask: T164173: Cache invalidations coming from the JobQueue are causing lag on several wikis.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T171877: Update grafana dashboard for WikiPageUpdater to use new statsd keys

2017-08-16 Thread greg

greg removed a parent task: T164173: Cache invalidations coming from the JobQueue are causing lag on several wikis.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T164173: Cache invalidations coming from the JobQueue are causing lag on several wikis

2017-08-16 Thread greg

greg removed a subtask: T171877: Update grafana dashboard for WikiPageUpdater to use new statsd keys.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T171370: ERROR: "LBFactory::getEmptyTransactionTicket: WikiPageUpdater::injectRCRecords does not have outer scope"

2017-08-16 Thread greg

greg edited parent tasks, added: T170632: 1.30.0-wmf.14 deployment blockers; removed: T168050: MW 1.30.0-wmf.10 deployment blockers.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T173433: Expand on the incident report for wikidata wmf.10 - wmf.14 train deployment

2017-08-16 Thread greg

greg added a parent task: T173435: 20170721-Train-Wikidata - Post mortem.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T171953: ORES and Enhanced Recent Changes: Backgound color stucks after patrolling

2017-08-16 Thread Halfak

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T164173: Cache invalidations coming from the JobQueue are causing lag on several wikis

2017-08-16 Thread thcipriani

thcipriani added a comment.

In T164173#3527782, @Marostegui wrote:
@hoo this happened again just now. As we talked during wikimania here is the ping again...do you happen to know if this is about to be released this week in the end? :-)


Any fix that landed in wikibase before the wmf.14 build (https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikiData/tree/wmf/1.30.0-wmf.14) will roll to group1 wikis with the train happening at 19:00UTC today.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164173EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: daniel, thciprianiCc: thcipriani, Jrbranaa, PokestarFan, Agabi10, gerritbot, Krinkle, aaron, MZMcBride, daniel, Ladsgroup, hoo, Marostegui, Aklapper, jcrespo, GoranSMilovanovic, Th3d3v1ls, Hfbn0, QZanden, Vali.matei, Minhnv-2809, Zppix, Izno, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, aude, faidon, Mbch331, Jay8g, Krenair, fgiunchedi___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T171953: ORES and Enhanced Recent Changes: Backgound color stucks after patrolling

2017-08-16 Thread Halfak

Halfak edited projects, added Scoring-platform-team; removed Scoring-platform-team-Backlog.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T172320: Error in Wikibase/client/includes/Changes/InjectRCRecordsJob.php line 120: Bad value for parameter $params: $params['change'] not set.

2017-08-16 Thread thcipriani

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Just to be clear: it looks like there are fixes for this in wikibase master that made it into wikidata wmf.14 which made the branch cut for core wmf.14, so this shouldn't block wmf.14 train going to group1. This is the assumption I will be working under when I run the train in an hour or so.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172320EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: daniel, thciprianiCc: thcipriani, WMDE-leszek, Jdforrester-WMF, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, daniel, IKhitron, Paladox, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, Stashbot, gerritbot, aude, Aklapper, mmodell, PokestarFan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Lewizho99, Maathavan, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T172394: InjectRCRecordsJob: include the serialize EntityChange object in the job spec

2017-08-16 Thread thcipriani

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Just to be clear: it looks like there are fixes for this in wikibase master that made it into wikidata wmf.14 which made the branch cut for core wmf.14, so this shouldn't block wmf.14 train going to group1. This is the assumption I will be working under when I run the train in an hour or so.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172394EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: daniel, thciprianiCc: thcipriani, PokestarFan, mmodell, Aklapper, aude, gerritbot, Stashbot, Liuxinyu970226, Jay8g, TerraCodes, Paladox, IKhitron, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, daniel, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Lewizho99, Maathavan, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T171370: ERROR: "LBFactory::getEmptyTransactionTicket: WikiPageUpdater::injectRCRecords does not have outer scope"

2017-08-16 Thread thcipriani

thcipriani added a comment.
Just to be clear: it looks like there are fixes for this in wikibase master that made it into wikidata wmf.14 which made the branch cut for core wmf.14, so this shouldn't block wmf.14 train going to group1. This is the assumption I will be working under when I run the train in an hour or so.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171370EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: thciprianiCc: mmodell, Addshore, demon, thcipriani, daniel, aaron, greg, TerraCodes, Jay8g, Liuxinyu970226, jcrespo, gerritbot, Aklapper, Krinkle, PokestarFan, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173433: Expand on the incident report for wikidata wmf.10 - wmf.14 train deployment

2017-08-16 Thread greg

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@daniel: Whoever you think is appropriate (maybe you?). We'll (Mukunda and Chad) poke at it some as well, but your perspective would be good.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173433EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: gregCc: Krinkle, thcipriani, demon, greg, daniel, Aklapper, mmodell, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, ArielGlenn, He7d3r, Mbch331, Jay8g___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Triaged] T173433: Expand on the incident report for wikidata wmf.10 - wmf.14 train deployment

2017-08-16 Thread mmodell

mmodell triaged this task as "Normal" priority.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T173433: Expand on the incident report for wikidata wmf.10 - wmf.14 train deployment

2017-08-16 Thread mmodell

mmodell created this task.mmodell added projects: Wikimedia-Incident, Wikidata.Herald added a subscriber: Aklapper.
TASK DESCRIPTIONI started the incident report page on wikitech but I could use some help with fleshing out the details:

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173145: Global users should be wikidata items

2017-08-16 Thread dbarratt

dbarratt added a comment.

In T173145#3524517, @Mahir256 wrote:

In T173145#3524145, @dbarratt wrote:
I do not understand the validity of any of these arguments.


Then perhaps you should interact with the Wikidata community more.


Also, per WMF Policy, I use my personal account for contributions to Wikidata. Regardless, I do not believe that the validity of an argument is conditional on one's existing contributions, but ought to stand and on it's own validity.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173145EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: dbarrattCc: Lydia_Pintscher, zhuyifei1999, Envlh, Izno, Mahir256, Ash_Crow, VIGNERON, Hsarrazin, Esc3300, Pigsonthewing, Nikki, Aklapper, dbarratt, PokestarFan, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T173432: Sort claims of a property by point in time

2017-08-16 Thread Agabi10

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TASK DESCRIPTIONMarking the most recent claim of a property as preferred can be a nightmare when there are multiple claims for an statement. One example of this would be checking that the most recent ELO of a chess player is the preferred one in this example.  In this example we have more than 100 different ELO each of them from a different point if time. Checking missing months or even finding the most recent one to set it as preferred is a PITA.

This also happens with the population of entities.

Sorting this claims by the value of the property P585 (point in time) would make things easier.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173432EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Agabi10Cc: Aklapper, Agabi10, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T173430: Wikidata-lexeme gives internal error for some lexemes when switching to non-English language

2017-08-16 Thread Fnielsen

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TASK DESCRIPTIONWikidata-lexeme gives internal error for some lexemes when switching to non-English language.

I have set the language to Danish in the configuration and then go to http://wikidata-lexeme.wmflabs.org/index.php/Lexeme:L15

The error message I get is:

[1d51848371fe6abb733a6ff8] /index.php/Lexeme:L15 OutOfBoundsException from line 83 of /var/www/html/extensions/WikibaseLexeme/vendor/wikibase/data-model/src/Term/TermList.php: Term with languageCode "da" not found

Backtrace:

#0 /var/www/html/extensions/WikibaseLexeme/src/PropertyType/LexemeIdHtmlFormatter.php(137): Wikibase\DataModel\Term\TermList->getByLanguage(string)
#1 /var/www/html/extensions/WikibaseLexeme/src/PropertyType/LexemeIdHtmlFormatter.php(80): Wikibase\Lexeme\PropertyType\LexemeIdHtmlFormatter->buildLabel(Wikibase\Lexeme\DataModel\Lexeme)
...

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T172832: Investigate use-cases for delayed job executions

2017-08-16 Thread GWicke

GWicke added a comment.
Some use cases from today's eventbus sync discussion:


Batching & rate limiting for Echo notifications
CirrusSearch for rate limiting / batching
Wikidata for rate limiting, partly work-around for lack of dependency tracking
Delayed HTCP purging (by ~10s) to account for replication lag
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173145: Global users should be wikidata items

2017-08-16 Thread Mahir256

Mahir256 added a comment.

In T173145#3527784, @dbarratt wrote:
Are you implying that, to understand any of the arguments posted here, I must first acquire a 'secret knowledge' that can only be obtained by further participation in the community?


This proposal to expand Wikidata's scope was put forward without forewarning of the community in any other public forum—it is not guaranteed that frequent Wikidata contributors will all be members of the Wikidata project on Phabricator. I have added subscribers based on a related issue, who have continued and will continue to enlighten you on exposing structured user information, but trips through RFCs, project chat archives, and administrators' noticeboard archives will most likely show that this topic was fought over at length between occasional users and longtime contributors—it is not codified knowledge, but it is most certainly not secret and I am not trying to imply that it was. If you have in fact combed through these things (and discovered that the topic of user items has never been broached in the site's five years of existence) or if you have actually informed the community somewhere else other than Phabricator, then I sincerely apologize for misstating the facts.

Would you be willing to explain the context to me so I am no longer ignorant and am able to understand these arguments?

I will save a more thorough response for later in the week. Bear in mind, though, that I don't frequently take larger roles in the discussions linked to above and thus my own views are not nearly as developed and may not nearly be as representative of the overall community as others' might be. It is to your benefit to find sanction (or compel it) for this proposal among the community in venues other than Phabricator first as this is more than just a technical issue to many people.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173145EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mahir256Cc: Lydia_Pintscher, zhuyifei1999, Envlh, Izno, Mahir256, Ash_Crow, VIGNERON, Hsarrazin, Esc3300, Pigsonthewing, Nikki, Aklapper, dbarratt, PokestarFan, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T172378: Migrate tests to constraint statement parameters

2017-08-16 Thread gerritbot

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Change 372162 had a related patch set uploaded (by Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE); owner: Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE)):
[mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseQualityConstraints@master] WIP: migrate DelegatingConstraintCheckerTest to statement params

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T90436: Improve usage tracking granularity to avoid irrelevant changes showing in the watchlist.

2017-08-16 Thread jeremyb

jeremyb updated the task description. (Show Details)
CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTION...Since Lua is a full programming language, it is not trivial to track what change would effectively cause the page output to change. We shoudlld be able to do better than what we do currently.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90436EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: jeremybCc: jeremyb, Agabi10, RP88, Halfak, Doc_James, hoo, PokestarFan, IKhitron, eranroz, Izno, Oliv0, Ltrlg, Scott_WUaS, Danmichaelo, CennoxX, Liuxinyu970226, aude, Lydia_Pintscher, daniel, Aklapper, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173145: Global users should be wikidata items

2017-08-16 Thread dbarratt

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In T173145#3524517, @Mahir256 wrote:

In T173145#3524145, @dbarratt wrote:
I do not understand the validity of any of these arguments.

Then perhaps you should interact with the Wikidata community more. Might I suggest dropping a line here? (For the record, I support creating the property that I linked to earlier but oppose the proposal which is the subject of this ticket.)

Are you implying that, to understand any of the arguments posted here, I must first acquire a 'secret knowledge' that can only be obtained by further participation in the community? Would you be willing to explain the context to me so I am no longer ignorant and am able to understand these arguments?

In T173145#3524569, @Izno wrote:

In T173145#3524061, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote:
The points raised in this ticket will be raised 100 times more in the larger community.

I do not understand the validity of any of these arguments.

I think there is general opposition to having users manage items.
I specifically oppose any item management. CentralAuth and T168792: Use Cognate to link user pages. Everything else can already be queried--you said it yourself.

I see, so if T168792 is completed then the existing data in the API would be queryable (if I'm understanding this correctly)? I suppose that's a fine compromise. As much as I'd like the publicly exposed details to be available as well (i.e. not in Wikitext) I understand the objections (though, it is already in the wikitext, which is my point).

One might reasonably make meta.wikimedia.org a federated Wikibase installation a la structured data for Commons, so that users can define global attributes, potentially using data from Wikidata.

I think that would be fantastic.

Either way, I think the Wikidata community wants nothing to do with users managing data there.

Understandable.

Fine with me, as long as you can reference a user item from wikidata, it doesn't really matter. is a really big caveat and probably will not be implemented, not least for the opposition in this task.

There is specific opposition to having user information, which is seen as unimportant, mixed in to the Q main space items. You can review http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:N for specifics.

This is why I suggested a different namespace (which is why we have a different namespace on Wiki's for User:). But also having them on meta makes the distinction even more clear.

Also adds additional editorial burden for almost 0 gain for the Wikidata community.

There is specific opposition to enabling users to out themselves.

I mean they are already outing themselves, it's just in a wikitext. This would give the data they are already publicly disclosing a structured format for research and analysis of different systems.

Adds additional administrative burden for almost 0 gain for the Wikidata community.

Does having "User" on Meta increase the editorial burden? This seems like hosting on Meta might be the solution.

If you really think this is a good idea, you need to have a proposal ready to overcome all of those objections. Plus others that the community decides are worth objecting over. (Good luck.)

Well that's why I'm talking to all of you. I think everyone has made some great points.

Does it resolve most of the concerns if Users are in a U namespace and are hosted on Meta (and somehow, can be referenced from Wikidata as in the example)?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173145EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: dbarrattCc: Lydia_Pintscher, zhuyifei1999, Envlh, Izno, Mahir256, Ash_Crow, VIGNERON, Hsarrazin, Esc3300, Pigsonthewing, Nikki, Aklapper, dbarratt, PokestarFan, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T164173: Cache invalidations coming from the JobQueue are causing lag on several wikis

2017-08-16 Thread Marostegui

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@hoo this happened again just now. As we talked during wikimania here is the ping again...do you happen to know if this is about to be released this week in the end? :-)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164173EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: daniel, MarosteguiCc: Jrbranaa, PokestarFan, Agabi10, gerritbot, Krinkle, aaron, MZMcBride, daniel, Ladsgroup, hoo, Marostegui, Aklapper, jcrespo, GoranSMilovanovic, Th3d3v1ls, Hfbn0, QZanden, Vali.matei, Minhnv-2809, Zppix, Izno, Luke081515, Wikidata-bugs, aude, faidon, Mbch331, Jay8g, Krenair, fgiunchedi___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T149193: Boxes act weird if the external id section is small

2017-08-16 Thread gerritbot

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Change 336052 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/ArticlePlaceholder@master] Prevent overlap of sidebar column with everything else

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