[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T212313: Add monolingual language code en-in (Indian English)

[Amire80]

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  In T212313#6611739 , @MJL 
wrote:
  
  > In T212313#6611541 , 
@Amire80 wrote:
  >
  >> Are there any examples of where the values in "English" and in "Indian 
English" would be different?
  >
  > While referring to a movie theatre 
, in Indian English it normally 
would be called a //cinema hall//.
  
  This sounds more like something for labels and not for monolingual values, 
although I wonder whether it's really necessary to define a whole language for 
this.
  
  > In elections, Americans will mention voting blocs 
 while Indians talk about vote banks 
.
  
  There are two English Wikipedia articles, and two corresponding Wikidata 
items. It's not a thing for which I'd define a different language.
  
  > Then you have British-like spellings for things like "metre", 
"organisation", or "colour".
  >
  > With its unique terms and seperate spelling conventions, I would certainly 
say this is more than justified.
  
  Sure, but none of these are specific examples of something that can't be done 
on Wikidata or another Wikimedia project at the moment without defining a new 
language.
  
  To be clear, I'm not opposed to adding it in principle, but it is relevant to 
understand what is this useful for //exactly//.
  
  If MediaWiki messages can be different in a way that can't be covered by en 
(or en-gb), then we can have it as a user interface language similarly to 
en-gb, en-ca, etc., and if I'm not mistaken, this will automatically apply also 
to monolingual codes.
  
  If different MediaWiki messages are not necessary, but monolingual values 
are, that's fine, but I'd like to see specific examples.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T212313: Add monolingual language code en-in (Indian English)

[GerardM]

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  Hoi,
  No problems with Indian English, we also support Australian English. I can
  imagine that there are differences in Indian English but that takes nothing
  away from the legitimacy of this request.
  Thanks,
  
GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T212313: Add monolingual language code en-in (Indian English)

[Nirmos]

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  What system message would be different in Indian English compared to British 
English?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T212313: Add monolingual language code en-in (Indian English)

[MJL]

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  In T212313#6611541 , 
@Amire80 wrote:
  
  > Are there any examples of where the values in "English" and in "Indian 
English" would be different?
  
  While referring to a movie theatre 
, in Indian English it normally 
would be called a //cinema hall//.
  In elections, Americans will mention voting blocs 
 while Indians talk about vote banks 
.
  
  Then you have British-like spellings for things like "metre", "organisation", 
or "colour".
  
  With its unique terms and seperate spelling conventions, I would certainly 
say this is more than justified.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267502: Language fallback indicators sometimes still shown for variant fallbacks

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267502: Language fallback indicators sometimes still shown for variant fallbacks

[gerritbot]

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  Change 639951 had a related patch set uploaded (by Lucas Werkmeister; owner: 
Lucas Werkmeister):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Fix missing Wikibase CSS on undo and 
diff pages
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/639951

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267502: Language fallback indicators sometimes still shown for variant fallbacks

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  > Note that in the diff case, the presence of item links in the edit 
summaries seems to be sufficient to “summon” the relevant CSS, so that the 
indicators are hidden in 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=1207519515=en-gb=yes.
  
  Happens in HtmlPageLinkRendererEndHookHandler 
,
 I guess. Not sure if there’s a convenient place to similarly add the 
`wikibase.common` styles whenever an entity ID is rendered.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T267502: Language fallback indicators sometimes still shown for variant fallbacks

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  As a Wikidata editor, I don’t want to see language fallback indicators if the 
fallback is just within language variants, e. g. from British or Canadian 
English (`en-gb`, `en-ca`) to “English” (`en`).
  
  **Problem:**
  While this generally works (implemented in T174318: Don’t display language 
fallback indicators for variant fallbacks 
), language fallback indicators are 
still sometimes shown. This happens whenever an item is rendered with its label 
but the main Wikibase stylesheets aren’t loaded (since the hiding of the 
indicators is implemented in those stylesheets), such as on diff pages (in 
diff-only mode, i. e. not showing the page below the diff) and on undo pages.
  
  **Example:**
  
  - 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=1207519515=1177335039=en-gb=yes
  - 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189=edit=1303834499=en-gb
  
  Note that in the diff case, the presence of item links in the edit summaries 
seems to be sufficient to “summon” the relevant CSS, so that the indicators are 
hidden in 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=1207519515=en-gb=yes.
  
  **Screenshots/mockups:**
  F33058878: Screenshot_2020-11-08 Difference between revisions of Lexeme L123 
- Wikidata.png  F33058877: 
Screenshot_2020-11-08 Undoing edit to Q4115189 - Wikidata.png 

  
  **BDD**
  GIVEN 
  AND 
  WHEN
  AND
  THEN
  AND
  
  **Acceptance criteria:**
  
  -
  
  **Open questions:**

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T212313: Add monolingual language code en-in (Indian English)

[Amire80]

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  Are there any examples of where the values in "English" and in "Indian 
English" would be different?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T212313: Add monolingual language code en-in (Indian English)

[Mbch331]

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  In T212313#6611342 , 
@Aklapper wrote:
  
  > How to get feedback from LangCom on this task? Are there any contact 
workflows that the task author should follow?
  
  @jhsoby & @Amire80 are members of LangCom and can speak on behalf of LangCom. 
Jon/Amir: Can you respond to the request?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T212313: Add monolingual language code en-in (Indian English)

[Aklapper]

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  How to get feedback from LangCom on this task? Are there any contact 
workflows that the task author should follow?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T205525: Add "Random lexeme" next to "Random item"

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  Community consensus discussion was at 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2019/08#Random_lexeme_to_the_sidebar
 ; not sure what the outcome was. Reopening as tasks shouldn't be stalled for 
too long without a clear reason.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T179010: Re-enable Wikidata Recent Changes integration on Commons

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  Reopening per last two comments as tasks shouldn't be stalled forever.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T171027: "Read timeout is reached" DBQueryError when trying to load specific users' watchlists (with +1000 articles) on several wikis

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T266703: Deploy WDQS query builder to microsites

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  @Addshore It's easiest if there are 2 separate deploy repos and both also do 
not live inside each other. 2 repos that git clone into 2 separate directories 
both under /srv/org/wikidata but on the same hierarchy level.  Then the 
webserver config can map their docroots to desired URLs.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T181319: Support external tabular datasets in WDQS

[Aklapper]

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  The previous comments don't explain who or what (task?) exactly this task is 
stalled on ("If a report is waiting for further input (e.g. from its reporter 
or a third party) and can currently not be acted on" 
). Hence 
resetting task status, as tasks should not be stalled (and then potentially 
forgotten) for years for unclear reasons.
  
  //(Smallprint, as general orientation for task management:
  If you wanted to express that nobody is currently working on this task, then 
the assignee should be removed and/or priority could be lowered instead.
  If work on this task is blocked by another task, then that other task should 
be added via Edit Related Tasks... > Edit Subtasks.
  If this task is stalled on an upstream project, then the #upstream 
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  If this task requires info from the task reporter, then there should be 
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  If this task needs retesting, then the #testme 
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  If this task is out of scope and nobody should ever work on this, or nobody 
else managed to reproduce the situation described here, then it should have the 
"Declined" status.
  If the task is valid but should not appear on some team's workboard, then the 
team project tag should be removed while the task has another active project 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T210164: Currency converter as query service

[Aklapper]

Aklapper changed the task status from "Stalled" to "Open".
Aklapper added a comment.


  The previous comments don't explain who or what (task?) exactly this task is 
stalled on ("If a report is waiting for further input (e.g. from its reporter 
or a third party) and can currently not be acted on" 
). Hence 
resetting task status, as tasks should not be stalled (and then potentially 
forgotten) for years for unclear reasons.
  
  //(Smallprint, as general orientation for task management:
  If you wanted to express that nobody is currently working on this task, then 
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  If work on this task is blocked by another task, then that other task should 
be added via Edit Related Tasks... > Edit Subtasks.
  If this task is stalled on an upstream project, then the #upstream 
 tag should be added.
  If this task requires info from the task reporter, then there should be 
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  If this task needs retesting, then the #testme 
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  If this task is out of scope and nobody should ever work on this, or nobody 
else managed to reproduce the situation described here, then it should have the 
"Declined" status.
  If the task is valid but should not appear on some team's workboard, then the 
team project tag should be removed while the task has another active project 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T201309: Don’t use entityLoaded hook in LexemeHeader

[Aklapper]

Aklapper added a comment.


  In T201309#4481909 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > I guess this will have to wait for us to migrate more components to the 
Vuex store model… :/
  
  @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE / @Lydia_Pintscher : 27 months later, has that 
happened in the meantime maybe?
  If not, what are the IDs of tasks tracking that store model migration that 
this task should depend on?

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