[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102476: RFC: Requirements for change propagation

[Scott_WorldUnivAndSch]

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In other languages? Wikimedia's Director Katherine Maher in Wikimania 2017 mentioned potentially 7k languages in Wikipedia by 2030TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102476EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Scott_WorldUnivAndSchCc: Scott_WorldUnivAndSch, MZMcBride, Mholloway, Liuxinyu970226, Scott_WUaS, Ottomata, Smalyshev, ArielGlenn, hoo, Addshore, RobLa-WMF, StudiesWorld, intracer, JanZerebecki, brion, Ltrlg, Anomie, Milimetric, mark, BBlack, aaron, daniel, Eevans, mobrovac, GWicke, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, SBisson, JAllemandou, Hardikj, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, fbstj, santhosh, Jdforrester-WMF, Mbch331, Rxy, Jay8g, bd808, jeremyb, Legoktm___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102476: RFC: Requirements for change propagation

[daniel]

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This seems obsolete. Is there any interest in keeping this open and continue the RFC process here?

Change propagation is an important topic, but it seems we need a fresh start.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102476EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: danielCc: MZMcBride, Mholloway, Liuxinyu970226, Scott_WUaS, Ottomata, Smalyshev, ArielGlenn, hoo, Addshore, RobLa-WMF, StudiesWorld, intracer, JanZerebecki, brion, Ltrlg, Anomie, Milimetric, mark, BBlack, aaron, daniel, Eevans, mobrovac, GWicke, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, SBisson, JAllemandou, Hardikj, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, fbstj, santhosh, Jdforrester-WMF, Mbch331, Rxy, Jay8g, bd808, jeremyb, Legoktm___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102476: RFC: Requirements for change propagation

[daniel]

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  This was discussed on #wikimedia-office on 2016-05-18. 
  Minutes: 
https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2016/wikimedia-office.2016-05-18-21.00.html
  Full log: 
https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2016/wikimedia-office.2016-05-18-21.00.log.html
  
  Summary:
  
  - ''LINK:'' https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102476  (gwicke, 21:01:03)
  - robla asks for response on 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102476#2296335.  gwicke answers "I'm not 
opposed to moving the general portion especially to mw.org, lets just make sure 
we don't end up with multiple copies"  (robla, 21:12:37)
  - ''LINK:'' https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:LangSwitch  
(matt_flaschen, 21:24:59)
  - significant use: track dependencies when rendering pages with {{int}} and 
 so that they can be purged when conditional dependencies change  
(TimStarling, 21:33:47)
  - what needs purging is *gernerated* content, so we need to track what it 
depends on  (DanielK_WMDE, 21:37:47)
  - ''LINK:'' https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130528  (DanielK_WMDE, 
21:50:39)
  - ''ACTION:'' update the RFC to clarify the anticipated concrete dependency 
relations  (TimStarling, 22:01:38)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102476: RFC: Requirements for change propagation

[GWicke]

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  I moved the current status / next steps section back here, so that only the 
general background section is now on MediaWiki.org. Status & next steps is more 
volatile & links directly to ongoing work, so benefits from being in this task.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102476: RFC: Requirements for change propagation

[RobLa-WMF]

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  On https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E184, @gwicke said "I'm not opposed to 
moving the general portion especially to mw.org, lets just make sure we don't 
end up with multiple copies"  My edits to the description reflect my 
understanding of that.

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[RobLa-WMF]

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  @GWicke - I made a conversion of the description to wikitext at 
mw:User:RobLa-WMF/T102476 
.  The next step will be 
to convert it into mw.org RFC format.  RFCs with long prose seem better to have 
over on mw.org, with a short description + link here on Phab; MediaWiki's 
editing and diffing tools are better (yay you folks!)

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[GWicke]

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  @RobLa-WMF, I updated the task summary with a status summary & a sketch of 
next steps & open questions.

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[Aklapper]

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Wikimedia Developer Summit 2016 ended two weeks ago. This task is still open. 
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[GWicke]

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@janzerebecki: The current intention is to keep change propagation relatively 
simple and efficient. Many services can be implemented with very small relative 
per-request overheads, and services with high per-request overheads can 
consider applying opportunistic batching transparently to all requests, for 
example using a batching proxy.


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[JanZerebecki]

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Currently it is written as if the individual steps will only happen one at a 
time. Should something be added to indicate that for performance every step of 
it needs to support batching?


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