[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment. Is there any evidence that this will be fixed as soon as possible? If not, then I think the priority should be downgraded to Normal/LowTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Liuxinyu970226Cc: jhsoby, Amire80, jeblad, Pasleim, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
Nikki added a comment. In T102533#4443467, @Liuxinyu970226 wrote: @Nikki I would love to know how to request a new BCP47 language tag? They are requested by posting a registration form to the ietf-langua...@iana.org mailing list. You can subscribe to the mailing list and view the archives at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages and https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47#appendix-B has two examples of the registration form.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: NikkiCc: Amire80, jeblad, Pasleim, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
jeblad added a comment. I believe this is the wrong place to discuss the pretty weird language situation in Norway, so please use some other macro language as an example! =)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: jebladCc: Amire80, jeblad, Pasleim, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
jeblad added a comment. Please note Language tags in HTML and XML and how proper language tags are generated (ie. the following pattern) language-extlang-script-region-variant-extension-privateuse Also note that I wrote "only after a proper process to standardize its use" in T102533#4425465. I have no doubt that someone has registered "nn-hognorsk", as Høgnorsk resembles Nynorsk, but it is actually quite different in my opinion. Høgnorsk is claimed to be the early form Landsmål, which later become Nynorsk in 1938. For those interested; there are 49 articles written in Høgnorsk at nnwiki. Last I heard about it some years back was that there were no new articles written in Høgnorsk at nnwiki.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: jebladCc: Amire80, jeblad, Pasleim, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
jeblad added a comment. @Liuxinyu970226 and @Multichill, the language dispute in Norway has been on-going for more than a century. If we can't agree in Norway, I doubt that a few heated posts here will solve it. Lets focus on a usable solution. :DTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: jebladCc: Amire80, jeblad, Pasleim, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
jeblad added a comment. Mapping the language code "no" to "nb" was a quick fix many years ago, that reflects the most common use case and solves the problem that "no" is a macro code for Norwegian language. There are two official written forms of Norwegian (Bokmål and Nynorsk), and two non-official written forms (Høgnorsk and Riksmål). Due to history the Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia has been using the prefix "no" even if the correct one now seems to be "nb". The prefix is often misinterpreted as the language code, and thus user scripts and gadgets often added labels and descriptions at Wikidata with the language set to "no". The quick fix was then to set the content language to "nb" and persuade the script editors to use the content language instead of the prefix. A better solution could be to accept macro codes, and allow fallbacks according to language similarity. For example "Oslo" could then use a macro code "gem" and all Germanic languages had a proper label. Even if the label would be the same, the descriptions could be different. Most labels on Wikidata are identical for the North Germanic languages. The same does not hold for the descriptions. This is an really nice idea, but it implies that languages in opposing countries (read open war in real life) would use the same codes. That could lead to on-going edit wars, which is not so fun. And it also implies a traversal of the language hierarchy to figure out the valid language codes, ie translating a language code to a long list of valid macro codes, which could be unfeasible in actual code.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: jebladCc: Amire80, jeblad, Pasleim, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
jeblad added a comment. I'm tempted to agree that all valid language codes, that is T102533#4422786, should be accepted. If some would like to add names and labels for Klingon, that is T102533#4422825, then let them do that.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: jebladCc: Amire80, jeblad, Pasleim, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
jeblad added a comment. I guess the form used in T102533#4422722 is meant to be the "private use" variant. I'm not sure we should use that form at all, but if we use it then it should probably be "no-hognorsk" and "no-riksmal" as they are not subsets of either Nynorsk or Bokmål. I would rather use a variant code, like "no-hn" and "no-rm", and only after a proper process to standardize its use.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: jebladCc: Amire80, jeblad, Pasleim, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment. @Multichill: a valid ISO 639-1/ISO 639-2 language So you believe that we should let Klingon (tlh) contents back, because of https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/tlh?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Liuxinyu970226Cc: Pasleim, Amire80, Nikerabbit, siebrand, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
Multichill added a comment. In T102533#4422722, @Liuxinyu970226 wrote: For Norwegian, I strongly encourage @Multichill and other Dutch users to cease "one Norwegian" glitch, rather we, just all Wikimedians around the world, should always separate them as one of I don't like being called out in this way, please don't ever do that again. Calling a valid ISO 639-1/ISO 639-2 language a glitch is a very contentious way to describe it.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: MultichillCc: Pasleim, Amire80, Nikerabbit, siebrand, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment. For Norwegian, I strongly encourage @Multichill and other Dutch users to cease "one Norwegian" glitch, rather we, just all Wikimedians around the world, should always separate them as one of Bokmål (nb) Høgnorsk (nn-hognorsk) Nynorsk (nn) Riksmål (nb-riksmal) I don't have separated ideas regarding Arabic and Nepali.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Liuxinyu970226Cc: Pasleim, Amire80, Nikerabbit, siebrand, Multichill, PokestarFan, Quest_for_Truth, Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Srdjan_m, MuhammadShuaib, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
Danmichaelo added a comment. Any progress on this? I've now handled all the conflict cases for "no" (where the labels/descriptions differed between "no" and "nb"), so there's no more "no" labels or descriptions at Wikidata right now. But if users are still allowed to add labels and descriptions in "no", they will soon reappear! Meaning more cleanup work… so it would be really great if creation of new labels/descriptions in "no" could be blocked! TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Danmichaelo Cc: Liuxinyu970226, Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
Fomafix added a comment. I think the deployment should start with block adding new labels, descriptions and aliases with dummy language codes. Then the bots can fix the current entries by replacing the right language code or removing the entry when the entry with the right language code already exist. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Fomafix Cc: Nikki, Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T102533: [Bug] Disallow (or resolve) dummy language codes.
Fomafix added a subscriber: Fomafix. Fomafix added a comment. Are there entries with "dummy" languages codes in Wikidata? Or are they already removed or replaced? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102533 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Fomafix Cc: Fomafix, Mbch331, Ricordisamoa, Danmichaelo, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
