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Liuxinyu970226 added a comment. mentioned at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Handling_sitelinks_overlapping_multiple_items#Discuss_the_solutionsTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Liuxinyu970226Cc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Kotchchanipa, Adrian1985, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Liuxinyu970226 added a comment. Anyhow, I now want to modify Help:FAQ to reflect this problem:TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Liuxinyu970226Cc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Adrian1985, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Koavf added a comment. If necessary, we may need to disengage the proposal for mul.ws from the two incubators. Again, mul.ws is a permanent home for some works and unlike incubator and beta.wv, some works will stay there permanently. There will never be a Volapük Wikisource--the corpus of texts is too small and there is no chance of language revival for it or a huge influx of original translations into it. mul.ws does not use multiple subdirectories as on Incubator, so it's not like two pages are going to have the same title but they are just in different test projects like /Wy/qqq/foo and /Wq/qqq/foo or something.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: KoavfCc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Adrian1985, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Liuxinyu970226 added a comment. a clash of technical nature I would say, however, that this should be a good design reborn rather than a negative clash. Wikidata only allows one site link per wiki. (WD data mgt) That's just a damn limit that if I'm Daniel, then I would oppose that BEFORE the launching of Wikidata. the proposal into "tricking" wikidata Tricking means to create things that not even wrong, compare with the Wishlist Survey comments, this is however a new era for establish AI interfaces, that same topics' pages with just scripts, spelling, server databases, and/or clusters can sync knowledges without help of bots, which can be killed when maintainers died. interwiki map to have an Asturian (ast:) ... be linkable by ast:(Title of work) or mul:(Title of work). (and else?!) No need to, see T54971#3570164 above.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Liuxinyu970226Cc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Adrian1985, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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StevenJ81 added a comment. That was well-said, @Billinghurst . Thank you.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: StevenJ81Cc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, CXuesong, LawExplorer, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Billinghurst added a comment. Ouch everyone. Merry Christmas to you all. The issue we have is a clash of technical nature We have small languages put together on one wiki as it is easier/resource-wise to manage (WMF management) Wikidata only allows one site link per wiki. (WD data mgt) I didn't see that the proposal was to create the wikis, I saw the proposal into "tricking" wikidata, or mediawiki interwiki map to have an Asturian (ast:) work at mul.wikisource to be linkable by ast:(Title of work) or mul:(Title of work). Perform the tricks at WD, perform it through moving files into specific paths, perform it be server path rewrites, whatever. This is not about wikidata, so to speak, it is about giving these smaller represented languages the ability to have their works presented and linked. Wikidata is seen as the means to run queries, to search, to present metadata, and these small communities need someone to assist them to a resolution, not a lot of people just saying "no, too hard" and then moving back to the shiny toys, whatever, after all these years, we just would like a practical working solution.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: BillinghurstCc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, CXuesong, LawExplorer, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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StevenJ81 added a comment. @Samwilson, @ChristianKl and @MF-Warburg : If you are a "pure Wikidata"-type person, this comment probably made sense. The comment made no sense whatsoever in the broader context of the history of project creation and approvals across the WMF project universe. There are reasons that we don't just create those sites, even if that should happen to be inconvenient for Wikidata.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: StevenJ81Cc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, CXuesong, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Samwilson added a comment. In T54971#3844679, @MF-Warburg wrote: What an outrageously nonsensical comment. The comment makes sense (although one may disagree with it), and is more polite than your reply.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SamwilsonCc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, CXuesong, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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MF-Warburg added a comment. In T54971#3841692, @ChristianKl wrote: I'm of the opinion, that it's not our role of Wikidata to create pseudo-fake websites. In most of the relevant cases it would make sense to actually have real websites. The langcom policy that prevents the creation of those sites is the core problem and a meta RfC to change it would be the best way forward What an outrageously nonsensical comment. The fact that these test-projects are on Incubator, BetaWV or OldWS shows that they are in the process of getting their own subdomains. The solution is not to just indiscriminately create a ton of inactive new wikis, but to make it easier for people to be active on Incubator etc.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: MF-WarburgCc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, CXuesong, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Koavf added a comment. In T54971#3841692, @ChristianKl wrote: pseudo-fake websites ? As far as mul.ws goes, can you point to examples where we have Wikidata items that would want to multiple pages on mul.ws? Why would mul.ws be different than any other version? E.g. Do we only want to link the Latin editions of the Bible with the French ones but *not* the Javanese one?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: KoavfCc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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ChristianKl added a comment. I'm of the opinion, that it's not our role of Wikidata to create pseudo-fake websites. In most of the relevant cases it would make sense to actually have real websites. The langcom policy that prevents the creation of those sites is the core problem and a meta RfC to change it would be the best way forward. C933103 already started a draft for the RfC. As far as mul.ws goes, can you point to examples where we have Wikidata items that would want to multiple pages on mul.ws?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: ChristianKlCc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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StevenJ81 added a comment. My suggestion is that we should implement a configuration setting that can be called "$wgWikibaseAllowMultipleSitelinksInOneSite", set false as default, only set to true for those three links. Well, it could be set true for any wiki known to have permanent duplicated pages, such as Judeo-Spanish (Ladino) Wikipedia, where we have lad-Latn and lad-Hebr pages in parallel.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: StevenJ81Cc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Liuxinyu970226 added a comment. In T54971#3719110, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: @daniel @hoo what's your thinking about @Tpt's suggestion? The suggestion is summaried at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Wikidata/Allow_multiple_entry_from_same_site_on_wikidata by @C933103 , got 11 supports and 3 opposesTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Liuxinyu970226Cc: Sannita, Superchilum, ChristianKl, daniel, Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Abo00tamr, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Tpt added a comment. A hacky way to do it is maybe to create fake "sites" per languages. We would for example have amiincubatorwiki would be a fake site that could be used for sitelink that have exactly the same configuration as the one of incubatorwikiTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TptCc: Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, Lahi, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Koavf added a comment. Very much so. There are perfectly legitimate documents at mul.ws and in addition to being disrespectful for the work put into them, some of those documents are among the few of a given language that even exist. If mul.ws continues in fulfilling its purpose, it will be a very valuable resource for many languages which are more-or-less not literate, endangered, or extinct. That's culturally invaluable. So yes, please make incoming links to mul.ws which is a stable resource that has a functioning subdomain (if memory serves, I was the one who proposed that mul.wikisource.org redirect to wikisource.org). Separate out beta.wv and Incubator if necessary but please move forward on mul.ws.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: KoavfCc: Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Billinghurst added a comment. Well said @Koavf. mulWS is definitely a permanent home for some works and if Wikidata is to function fully there needs to be a means to link to these works. We are falling into an area where it seems that some are wiping their hands and walking away, and that is disrespectful for those pour their time into works yet who are captured by the hierarchy that has been created for them.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: BillinghurstCc: Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
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Koavf added a comment. For what it's worth, a subtle point about mul.ws may be missed here. The goal of Incubator and beta.wv (which I firmly believe should have been incorporated into Incubator many years ago) is two-fold: two foster small content that can grow into an independent project either from 1.) a closed wiki that used to be live or 2.) a newly-established community. Mul.ws doesn't really function that way--altho some projects do graduate into their own subdomains, 1.) many never will, simply because the corpus of literature doesn't exist and 2.) there are works which *are* themselves multilingual. There is no reason to have (e.g.) a collection of quotations in two different languages but there are very good reasons to hosts books which were published in multiple languages. So the best case scenario for Incubator and beta.wv is that everything graduates and there isn't really much that stays there or "happens" at those wikis other than moving them into maturity and some small coordination. Mul.ws is and should always be a stand-alone project which will harbor content indefinitely. All this is to say that making interwiki links to Incubator or beta.wv may not be a priority really since the good stuff will just end up graduating anyway but it's *necessary* to be able to interlink with mul.ws.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: KoavfCc: Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54971: [Goal] Sitelinks to Incubator, OldWikisource and BetaWikiversity
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment. In T54971#3569662, @Bugreporter wrote: We may introduce the concept of "virtual" site. There will still be one siteline per wiki, but some wikis don't have it's own site and exist on another site. I don't think this can be helpful, as it still won't resolve issues that author asked. Anyway, I OPPOSE using Wikimedia permanent duplicated pages (Q21286738) for 3 projects as it can only result harmful conflicts. My suggestion is that we should implement a configuration setting that can be called "$wgWikibaseAllowMultipleSitelinksInOneSite", set false as default, only set to true for those three links. Then in list of sitelinks (use the Main pages (Q5296) as example): Wikisource v ... ml പ്രധാന താൾ mr मुखपृष्ठ mul v Main Page (en) Main_Page/IsiXhosa (xh) ... nl Hoofdpagina no Wikikilden:Forside ... Wikiversity v ... ja メインページ ko 위키배움터:대문 mul v Main_Page (en) Ĉefpaĝo (eo) ... pt Página principal ru Заглавная страница ... Other projects v commons Main Page incubator v Incubator:Main_Page (en) Incubator:Main_Page/fr (fr) ... media MediaWiki meta Main Page species Main Page wikidata Wikidata:Main PageTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Liuxinyu970226Cc: Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T54971: [Goal] Sitelinks to Incubator, OldWikisource and BetaWikiversity
Bugreporter added a comment. We may introduce the concept of "virtual" site. There will still be one siteline per wiki, but some wikis don't have it's own site and exist on another site.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: BugreporterCc: Bugreporter, PokestarFan, gh87, Koavf, StevenJ81, Samwilson, Esc3300, srishakatux, C933103, Stashbot, hoo, aude, JanZerebecki, TTO, Liuxinyu970226, Accurimbono, Aklapper, Ricordisamoa, Purodha, liangent, Wikidata-bugs, Vogone, Candalua, SPQRobin, mxn, Filceolaire, jayvdb, Micru, revi, Billinghurst, Lydia_Pintscher, MF-Warburg, zhuyifei1999, Tpt, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wong128hk, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
