[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90852: Create a system to store and query links to books

[Ladsgroup]

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  Hey, I had plans to work on this, but not right now. I already have a lot in 
my plate. And I'm not sure what would be the best approach. Some people say 
it's better to have it as a part of Wikidata [1]. Someone suggested we build 
another table and store ISBNs (like external links) and in that case, an 
extension would be better or integrated with the core? I think maybe ArcCom is 
the best body of developers to determine this. And then we can move on to 
implementing.
  
  [1]: I think it's not a good idea. If we use a book in references in 
Wikipedia, there is no way to put it in wikidata.

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  This task is assigned to @Ladsgroup so I wonder whether it is a 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/ candidate at all.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90852: Create a system to store and query links to books

[Mvolz]

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I'd be willing to mentor on this one. Keep in mind that the IEG/IdeaLab grants 
are *much* larger in scope than what we'd do for outreachy- I'd suggest taking 
the bit about inserting books/references into wikidata programmatically as the 
core of an outreachy project. That alone could definitely could keep someone 
occupied for 3 months (or longer!). Microtask sounds fine.

For another mentor (provided no one else here responds) looking for someone 
with wikidata expertise would be ideal as I have no experience there. There's a 
wikidata mailing list- https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

I would suggest fleshing out your proposal first though before looking for 
mentors besides those cc-ed here, so potential mentors have a better idea of 
what you want to do.

Also, various links that might be informative:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sdjqnkr8ofyw0isf
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Source_MetaData
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Source_MetaData#Source_type_names
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tools


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90852: Create a system to store and query links to books

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This wikidata tutorial was just shared to the wikidata list: 
http://www.slideshare.net/_Emw/an-ambitious-wikidata-tutorial#39


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90852: Create a system to store and query links to books

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Hi. I'd love to work on this as a project as an Outreachy intern, this is so 
exciting! I love structured data and have been using Dbpedia and Sparql for the 
last 6 months. I suggest as a firm microtask, I can use the wikidata api to 
search if the cited source exists already in Wikidata. Would any of the 
subscribers be interested in mentoring this for me?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90852: Create a system to store and query links to books

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FYI, this is similar to an idea lab for IEG (written mostly by me) here 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Tools_for_using_wikidata_items_as_citations
 if anyone is interested in this one. I don't really have time to do it (and 
eligibility would be a bit questionable as I'm a WMF contractor now), so if 
someone wants to take that idea and apply with it feel free! It has fair bit of 
community support... just no developers :).


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This is a message posted to all tasks under "Need Discussion" at 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/. 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/outreachy-round-11/ is around the corner. 
If you want to propose this task as a featured project idea, we need a clear 
plan with community support, and two mentors willing to support it.


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[Qgil]

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This is a message sent to all 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/. The new round of 
Wikimedia Individual Engagement Grants 
 is open until 29 Sep. For the 
first time, technical projects are within scope, thanks to the feedback 
received at Wikimania 2015, before, and after (T105414 
). If someone is interested in 
obtaining funds to push this task, this might be a good way.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90852: Create a system to store and query links to books

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Did someone work on this project during 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikimedia-hackathon-2015/? If so, please 
update the task with the results. If not, please remove the label.


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It is time to promote 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikimedia-hackathon-2015/ activities in 
the program https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2015/Program 
(training sessions and meetings) and main wiki page 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2015#Activities_confirmed 
(hacking projects and other ongoing activities). Follow the instructions 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97121, please. If you have questions, 
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@CeruleanDreamer, could you email me at nko...@wikimedia.org regarding 
Outreachy? We may have some opportunity to adjust you in.


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@CeruleanDreamer, this is likely not something that wmf would support as an 
outreachy project as we already have different projects working towards this 
goal, as @Lydia_Pintscher mentioned. However, if you're interested in this sort 
of thing, the citoid project overall seems like it might interest you: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/62/ As well as the wikidata 
project in general.

I can think of a few similar projects to this one that might be suitable for 
outreachy, but the deadline has already passed (March 24). There are some 
organizations that have extended that deadline but WMF is not one of those, 
see: 
https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/2015/MayAugust#Organizations_for_which_Applications_are_Closed

@Qgil, is it fair to say we can no longer accept applications for this 
outreachy round?


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Thank you for responding.I will check into the links that you have shared.


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Yes, but storing it in a database allows more flexible tasks like normalizing 
ISBN.


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You can do that now (and for a while already):
https://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/?language=enproject=wikipediacategory=depth=12wdq=string%5B212%3A%22978-0-452-28424-1%22%5Drun=Run


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90852: Create a system to store and query links to books

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I think I wrote the description so short that this misunderstanding happened:
1- Go to an article with an ISBN link on it (hereafter book link). e.g. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
2- If you check you will see that ISBN 0-452-28424-4 automagically converted 
to a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0452284244
3- I want a thing that can store book links (and normalize it like converting 
ISBN 10s to ISBN 13s) in a table like external links table and make an special 
page similar to LinkSearch (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch)

So it is a part of mediawiki core.


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That is pretty much what the Wikidata query service will provide.


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