[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
ovasileva added a comment. @Jdlrobson - agreed. We're planning on doing this along with T91683: Allow editors control of the page image across all projects. I was planning on implementing it during the first few weeks of next quarter.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: ovasilevaCc: Jdlrobson, Capt_Swing, ovasileva, Alsee, phuedx, JKatzWMF, Ltrlg, -jem-, T.seppelt, Mholloway, Anomie, MartinK, aude, MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ, Nemo_bis, Aklapper, GoranSMilovanovic, Antohabio, QZanden, Winter, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
Jdlrobson added a comment. @ovasileva this seems like it would be useful for Wikivoyage. I'm not seeing many lead images for articles there given their reliance on the page banner to provide illustrations for the lead..TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: JdlrobsonCc: Jdlrobson, Capt_Swing, ovasileva, Alsee, phuedx, JKatzWMF, Ltrlg, -jem-, T.seppelt, Mholloway, Anomie, MartinK, aude, MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ, Nemo_bis, Aklapper, GoranSMilovanovic, Antohabio, QZanden, Winter, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
Alsee added a comment. Taking control of this off of local wiki would be bad. In the few cases I checked this would have either been no help, or made things worse. It's hard to imagine many cases where Wikidata would have a suitable image that couldn't/shouldn't be in the article itself.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: AlseeCc: Alsee, phuedx, JKatzWMF, Ltrlg, -jem-, T.seppelt, Mholloway, Anomie, MartinK, aude, MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ, Nemo_bis, Aklapper, Winter, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
Anomie added a comment.
In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026#1966760, @Nemo_bis wrote:
> In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026#1966111, @Anomie wrote:
>
> > I also note that, if we had https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91683, this
> > could be done on-wiki by a template that does something along the lines of
> > `{{#pageimage:{{#property:p18`.
>
>
> Maybe, but such a template would need to be placed on millions of articles.
> Why?
I didn't say it would be the best option, just a possible option.
TASK DETAIL
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026
EMAIL PREFERENCES
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/
To: Anomie
Cc: Anomie, MartinK, aude, MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ,
Nemo_bis, Aklapper, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list
Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
MartinK added a comment.
Please differentiate between Commons' project goal and the international legal
reality. Copyright laws are complex – especially in an international context.
And regardless of its ambitions, there are a lot of Commons images that can not
be used in certain language versions. E.G. German Wikipedia can not use all the
images wth licence templates implementing {{Urheberrechtlich_geschützt}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Urheberrechtlich_gesch%C3%BCtzt
TASK DETAIL
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026
EMAIL PREFERENCES
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/
To: MartinK
Cc: MartinK, aude, MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ, Nemo_bis,
Aklapper, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list
Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
MartinK added a comment. Beside that this suggestion would rise editorial problems – especially if the WikiData-images would overrule (3.) the images used in the local articles: - The scope of the Wikipedia article and the scope of linked WikiData object is not necessary 100% identical – not even among the Wikipedia language versions. - Afaik there is not even a WikiData object for every Wikipedia article yet. - Wikipedia articles in different languages are not just translations, but independent from each other. Therefore the same lemma may have different contents and require different illustrations according to the different languages and cultural contexts. Just think of sexuality or medical topics in the Arab world, or of maps with disputed demarcations. Since Pageimages are used in a really prominent way nowadays (especially in the Wikipedia App), Wikipedia authors should retain the final say about, which image should be representing "their" article. And being able to edit WikiData, does not ensure this alone, because that could end in Edit-Wars between the language versions. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: MartinK Cc: MartinK, aude, MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ, Nemo_bis, Aklapper, Wikidata-bugs, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
Smalyshev added a comment. If there are multiple https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P18, one can always make one of them preferred rank. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Smalyshev Cc: aude, MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ, Nemo_bis, Aklapper, Wikidata-bugs ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
MaxSem added a subscriber: MaxSem. MaxSem added a comment. PageImages does not return images of article subject, it returns images representing the article itself, so this must not override the images on page. Using the WD images for pages without images is probably fine though. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: MaxSem Cc: MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ, Nemo_bis, Aklapper, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image
Nemo_bis added a comment. PageImages does not return images of article subject, it returns images representing the article itself, True, in principle there is a difference; depending on how a client is using the Wikibase repo, they might also be the same. so this must not override the images on page. Using the WD images for pages without images is probably fine though. Sounds reasonable. Once Wikimedia projects get accustomed to fetching Wikidata properties and the properties in question, by becoming more visible, have grown more used and more consistent, I expect someone will propose to give priority to Wikidata, but there is no need to do that now. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95026 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Nemo_bis Cc: MaxSem, Krenair, Ricordisamoa, Smalyshev, TheDJ, Nemo_bis, Aklapper, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
