[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95287: separate identifiers from other statements
Bene added a subscriber: Bene. Bene added a comment. Are references actually used on identifiers? I think the identifier itself is its reference. The same question applies to qualifiers. Are they actually used/useful for identifiers? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Bene Cc: Bene, Multichill, Addshore, Sannita, Laddo, PKM, Filceolaire, Pigsonthewing, Legoktm, Ricordisamoa, Daniel_Mietchen, Ltrlg, Liuxinyu970226, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95287: separate identifiers from other statements
Addshore added a comment. @Bene that is what I was initially thinking, but I guess there could also be other references. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Addshore Cc: Bene, Multichill, Addshore, Sannita, Laddo, PKM, Filceolaire, Pigsonthewing, Legoktm, Ricordisamoa, Daniel_Mietchen, Ltrlg, Liuxinyu970226, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95287: separate identifiers from other statements
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. We'll not be making them sitelinks for the reasons laid out in the description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: Multichill, Addshore, Sannita, Laddo, PKM, Filceolaire, Pigsonthewing, Legoktm, Ricordisamoa, Daniel_Mietchen, Ltrlg, Liuxinyu970226, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95287: separate identifiers from other statements
Addshore added a subscriber: Addshore. Addshore added a comment. Personally I have always thought that identifiers like this should probably be sitelinks. I also once had some discussions with calling site links identifiers. This makes the data model less wikipedia specific while doing what is discussed above. The alternative could be get rid of sitelinks, do sitelinks and identifiers in claims and implement either option 2 or 3 for them! TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Addshore Cc: Addshore, Sannita, Laddo, PKM, Filceolaire, Pigsonthewing, Legoktm, Ricordisamoa, Daniel_Mietchen, Ltrlg, Liuxinyu970226, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95287: separate identifiers from other statements
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. Yes. In some rare cases we can change the datatype. This is one of them. That's what the maintenance script is for. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: Ricordisamoa, Daniel_Mietchen, Ltrlg, Liuxinyu970226, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95287: separate identifiers from other statements
Legoktm added a subscriber: Legoktm. Legoktm added a comment. At least pywikibot assumes that the data type will never change for a property (https://github.com/wikimedia/pywikibot-core/blob/669ea31a4c7849c576e5fb5b67b6bb5d6c6bc4e9/pywikibot/site.py#L5581), I'm not sure if any other client libraries do as well. Is that an bad assumption to make? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Legoktm Cc: Legoktm, Ricordisamoa, Daniel_Mietchen, Ltrlg, Liuxinyu970226, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95287: separate identifiers from other statements
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. For the value type it is a relatively safe assumption to make. This in this case is string. For the data type it is a safe assumption to make most of the time. This in this case is changing from string to identifier. There will only be very few cases like this one where we'll do this. Another one I could imagine is later adding a formula datatype in case Wikidata is using string for that before we introduce it and wants to keep the property ids again. Other than that I can't think of any right now. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: Legoktm, Ricordisamoa, Daniel_Mietchen, Ltrlg, Liuxinyu970226, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T95287: separate identifiers from other statements
Ricordisamoa added a comment. You **must** be able to migrate the existing properties without changing their IDs. Otherwise the whole think will BRRRK seriously. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Ricordisamoa Cc: Ricordisamoa, Daniel_Mietchen, Ltrlg, Liuxinyu970226, Sjoerddebruin, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
