[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T95026: PageImages should be able to pick Wikidata's P18 as chosen image

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> 3. always prefer Wikidata `P18` where available and not deprecated.

IMO this would be one step too far if it overrides T91683: Allow specifying 
lead image .

I also note that, if we had https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91683, this 
could be done on-wiki by a template that does something along the lines of 
`{{#pageimage:{{#property:p18`.


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As I already pointed out in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87336 this is 
not really a good idea from the copyright point of view, because..

- pageimages belong to the language versions of wikipedia and therefore need to 
obey the local copyright laws..
- while WikiData seems to be based on US-copyright alone.

And since we do have a lot of stuff on Commons that is PD only in some 
countries, the suggested implementation of taking the pageimages directly from 
WikiData, would result in copyright violations.


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If the value of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P18 is among one of the 
images in a Wikipedia article, then that might be a reasonable choice.

Some wikipedias might want different images as chosen image.  There can be 
multiple statements for https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P18 with different 
values and we could use qualifiers to say which wikipedia choses what image.

As it concerns featuring an image in the header of the mobile Wikipedia page 
(and in the app) or in search results, there should always be the option for 
Wikipedians to choose *not* to have any featured image for a page. (e.g. none 
are suitable for this purpose)  Sometimes this might be the case for abstract 
topics [1] or the page has only some tangentially related images [2], and 
sometimes graphs and maps don't work so nicely as featured images. [3]

I am also concerned about featuring fair use images in this way, and imho don't 
think they should be used in this way. [4] (and not possible currently to link 
them in Wikidata with https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P18)

[1] 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development
[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vermont_Civil_War_units
[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rome
[4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Generation_(song)


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