[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2024-05-16 Thread Lokal_Profil 
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  Note that there is a proposal over at 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Software_Collaboration_for_Wikidata/Call_Submissions
 by the Wikibase Community User Group and Wikibase Stakeholder Group to 
transform the reconciliation service into a MediaWIki extension.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2024-04-09 Thread Spinster 
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  After hearing reconciliation service (re)users, hearing emerging ideas, and 
seeing the reality of the Wikimedia movement's capacities, I decided to also 
create this ticket: T362149: Alternative, affordable, lower-barrier 
approach(es) to reconciliation 

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2023-07-31 Thread Sj 
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  @Addshore thank you for writing that and resurfacing your old post.  Agreed 
that recon should be core to Wikibase, both for it to reach new users and to 
make setting up new small projects easier.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2023-07-19 Thread Pintoch 
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  @Addshore wrote a blog post summarizing the options around this problem and I 
think it's a very worthy read:
  https://addshore.com/2023/07/wikibase-and-reconciliation/

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2023-05-01 Thread Gehel 
Gehel removed a project: Discovery-Search.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2023-04-05 Thread Gehel 
Gehel added projects: Wikidata-Query-Service, Discovery-Search.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2023-02-24 Thread Spinster 
Spinster added a comment.


  In T244847#8502964 , 
@Pintoch wrote:
  
  > Here is the current status of this issue:
  >
  > The team at TIB (headed by @Loz.ross) is now maintaining the current 
wrapper and has contributed improvements to deploy it on other Wikibase 
instances:
  > https://gitlab.com/nfdi4culture/ta1-data-enrichment/openrefine-wikibase
  > Thank you to them!
  
  So the Wikidata reconciliation service currently falls under the 
responsibility of a German research group... I know TIB does amazing work for 
the Wikibase ecosystem (thank you indeed @Loz.ross and colleagues) but for 
Wikidata, this surely is a weird situation.
  If I'd have the money and the people, I'd jump to help, but I don't.
  
  > Prompted by the bad performance of this endpoint, Ontotext offers alternate 
endpoints for certain entity types, powered by their own search index over 
Wikidata. This video explains their approach 
.
 The endpoints are:
  >
  > - https://reconcile.ontotext.com/people
  > - https://reconcile.ontotext.com/organizations
  > - https://reconcile.ontotext.com/locations
  >
  > Thank you Ontotext (@VladimirAlexiev among others).
  
  I, too, have been very enthusiastic seeing this initiative. However, I've 
tried the Ontotext reconciliation service several times, and I've had quite a 
few issues with it:
  
  - it produces *a lot* of wrong matches for me. Up to 30 to 40% of the "100% 
confident" matches are just plain wrong (see screenshot below - I just tried it 
again)
  - the service provides only 3 suggested matches when it's uncertain, and 
these tend to be wrong as well, even if a correct value is present (see second 
screenshot)
  
  F36869693: image.png 
  F36869695: image.png 
  I would currently not use the Ontotext alternatives for any real world 
application for that reason, and I have discouraged trainees from the GLAM 
sector from using them. (The 'old' Wikidata reconciliation service works much 
better and is still extremely workable when it's up, in my experience.)
  @VladimirAlexiev can such issues be reported somewhere, and if so where? Is 
Ontotext willing and able to improve upon the above services?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2023-02-24 Thread Sj 
Sj added a comment.


  @Pintoch The ontotext instance is interesting.  Might they be interested in 
also providing something closer to a WQDS interface?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2023-01-05 Thread Pintoch 
Pintoch added subscribers: Tarrow, VladimirAlexiev.
Pintoch added a comment.


  Here is the current status of this issue:
  
  The team at TIB (headed by @Loz.ross) is now maintaining the current wrapper 
and has contributed improvements to deploy it on other Wikibase instances:
  https://gitlab.com/nfdi4culture/ta1-data-enrichment/openrefine-wikibase
  Thank you to them!
  
  The endpoint "https://wikidata.reconci.link/; is now served by a Wikimedia 
Cloud VPS (although it is running behind a proxy to retain the original domain 
name), which improves performance slightly by virtue of being closer to the 
Wikidata infrastructure. Thank you @Tarrow for suggesting it! The Cloud VPS 
project is `wikidata-reconciliation`. Getting rid of the proxy should be doable 
too, if I could find the time.
  
  Prompted by the bad performance of this endpoint, Ontotext offers alternate 
endpoints for certain entity types, powered by their own search index over 
Wikidata. This video explains their approach 
.
 The endpoints are:
  
  - https://reconcile.ontotext.com/people
  - https://reconcile.ontotext.com/organizations
  - https://reconcile.ontotext.com/locations
  
  Thank you Ontotext (@VladimirAlexiev among others).
  
  That's all I am aware of for now.

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2022-06-20 Thread Sandra_Fauconnier_WMSE 
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2022-06-19 Thread Pintoch 
Pintoch updated the task description.

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2021-11-29 Thread Fuzheado 
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  In T244847#6406407 , 
@Pintoch wrote:
  
  > On my side, I would be keen to transform the wrapper into a Wikibase 
extension, but lack the skills to develop in the MediaWiki environment. It is 
also a significant risk to invest energy into this without being reasonably 
confident that it will end up being deployed on Wikidata and Commons.
  
  Hi @Pintoch - wondering if you've given more thought to this since it was 
last surfaced. Also @SandraF_WMF 
  or @Spinster may have some insight here since she is working with OpenRefine 
and its modernization.

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2021-07-28 Thread Spinster 
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2021-07-23 Thread Jopparn 
Jopparn edited projects, added 
WMSE-Content-partnerships-support-2021-Software-development; removed 
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2021-02-16 Thread Lokal_Profil 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2020-10-22 Thread Pintoch 
Pintoch added a comment.


  Thanks a lot @Mvolz! The new endpoint running at 
https://wikidata.reconci.link/ is much more stable but I assume that it is even 
harder for you to rely on something that is outside the WMF ecosystem (compared 
to a toolforge project).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2020-10-22 Thread Mvolz 
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  I should probably also point out that earlier versions of the citoid tool on 
wikidata for wikidata references used open refine and produced better results.
  
  However when we went to convert the user script into an extension, we had to 
drop the use of openRefine and try to do exact string matches.
  
  That project was paused but with it restarting soon I would really like to 
see openRefine be available for that.
  
  The reality is no matter how well we try to clean up the data we're not going 
to get exact matches for all the fields we want to fill in, and matching text 
with items is something open refine does well.
  
  It seems silly for citoid to do this directly and reinvent the wheel when we 
already have a tool that does this, it just needs to be a bit more stable!

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2020-09-10 Thread Pintoch 
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  Another outage today: T262553  
(Toolforge-wide ticket: T262550 ).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2020-08-24 Thread Pintoch 
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  There is also the simpler idea of hosting the existing wrapper as an official 
Wikidata service (just like `query.wikidata.org` is an official Wikidata 
service, even though Blazegraph is not part of the MediaWiki instance, nor is 
maintained by WMDE). Comparing my tiny wrapper to Blazegraph is perhaps a bit 
bold (in terms of maturity), but I am just trying to explore all the ways in 
which Wikidata could officially offer a reconciliation service.

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2020-08-24 Thread Lydia_Pintscher 
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  That makes sense. Let me get back to you on that.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2020-08-24 Thread Pintoch 
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  Thanks @Lydia_Pintscher and sorry for forgetting to tag the issue for 
Wikidata.
  
  On my side, I would be keen to transform the wrapper into a Wikibase 
extension, but lack the skills to develop in the MediaWiki environment. It is 
also a significant risk to invest energy into this without being reasonably 
confident that it will end up being deployed on Wikidata and Commons.
  
  Would you know of contractors who you would trust to develop an extension to 
the quality and security standards required in Wikimedia production settings?
  
  I think it would be interesting to start a preliminary discussion about the 
overall feasibility of this: there might be aspects of the API specs that do 
not fit well with the sort of APIs that MediaWiki exposes (URL format, for 
instance), or that your production settings require (CORS headers, constraints 
on the timing of HTTP requests…)
  If we can identify such hurdles early, we could adapt the specs accordingly 
(assuming the rest of the community agrees), or convince ourselves that we will 
really have to stick to the wrapper-based system.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T244847: Future of the OpenRefine Wikidata reconciliation interface

2020-08-24 Thread Lydia_Pintscher 
Lydia_Pintscher added a project: Wikidata.
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  In T244847#6402874 , 
@tfmorris wrote:
  
  > I'm surprised that a private third party proxying such a significant 
segment of the traffic to Wikidata hasn't prompted the Wikidata Engineering 
team to take this more seriously.
  >
  > Wikidata and OpenRefine users **need** an officially supported production 
quality reconciliation end point. It's a key tool for getting high quality data 
into Wikidata.
  
  As @Pintoch has written there are a ton of things we have to work on with a 
small team so we unfortunately can't do all the things. My general impression 
is that the team around @Pintoch is doing a fine job and I'm keeping in mind 
that none of us has experience in this area so we'd have to start from a fairly 
basic level.
  
  > @Lydia_Pintscher What is required to get some action on this? Even getting 
it triaged would be a start.
  
  This ticket wasn't on our radar because it didn't have the Wikidata tag or 
anything else that would have brought it to my attention. I've added it now.

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