[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T254280: Potentially semi-protecting all properties: best approach?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T254280: Potentially semi-protecting all properties: best approach?

[Mike_Peel]

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  Yay! @Addshore @Lydia_Pintscher This configuration change can now be made.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T254280: Potentially semi-protecting all properties: best approach?

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  Change 631809 had a related patch set uploaded (by Abián; owner: Abián):
  [operations/mediawiki-config@master] Require autoconfirmed status to edit 
Wikidata Properties
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/631809

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T254280: Potentially semi-protecting all properties: best approach?

[abian]

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  According to the resolution of Wikidata:Requests for comment/General semi 
protection for all property pages 
 today:
  
  > The grace period proposal has been opposed. Thus, all property pages must 
be semi-protected.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 20:51, 2 October 2020 
(UTC)
  
  So the solution is `$wgNamespaceProtection`.

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[Addshore]

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  In T254280#6495487 , 
@Mike_Peel wrote:
  
  > I don't know how to move this forward now, I can't see how this close is 
compatible with $wgNamespaceProtection. Any thoughts?
  
  So this close is not very compatible with `$wgNamespaceProtection` so it 
looks like we won't be able to use it.
  Probably the easiest way to currently get this process implemented would be 
with an admin bot.
  
  It might be nice to explore the idea of some sort of globally available 
confirmed / autoconfirmed group that would appear if a user is confirmed on any 
WMF site.
  But we don't have that now / maybe that is a bad idea, but I would continue 
to see this being a potentially useful thing in the future.
  I'll reach out to the core platform team and see what they think

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  I don't know how to move this forward now, I can't see how this close is 
compatible with $wgNamespaceProtection. Any thoughts?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T254280: Potentially semi-protecting all properties: best approach?

[Mike_Peel]

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  The RfC was closed with "In this discussion, I see rough consensus to 
generally semi-protect all property pages. The arguments for protection are 
that properties are highly visible; they are rarely edited by IPs and new 
users, and most of these edits get reverted, so that there is no obvious 
benefit. The main oppose argument is that many editors in the projects, who are 
not autoconfirmed on Wikidata, will not be able to edit properties, and this 
may affect descriptions on the less common languages. These arguments are valid 
and clear, they have been discussed for a sufficient period of time, and the 
opposers are clearly in minority.
  
  An important argument has been brought forward but not sufficiently 
discussed, that if properties get protected not immediately after creation, but 
after some period (the proposal was 30 days, one user said they6 would not 
object against a year), it would significantly mitigate the negatives of the 
semi-protection, since interested parties can add the descriptions before the 
protection. This has not been sufficiently discussed, and I add a specific 
discussion of this topic below. Before this second discussion has been 
summarized, we should not be protecting properties right after creation. 
However, I read the current discussion as that in any case, all properties 
older than a year can be semi-protected.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:48, 25 September 
2020 (UTC) "

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[Mike_Peel]

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  There is now an RfC at 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/General_semi_protection_for_all_property_pages
 - once that has finished and been closed I'll update this ticket accordingly.

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