[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258391: Lemma not shown when linking senses unless the sense has a definition in the current language

[Mahir256]

Mahir256 added a comment.


  I am here just to second the aforementioned concerns and would support a 
format that merely displays any gloss, rather than give up, if neither my 
interface language nor any in its fallback chain are present on a sense.

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258391

EMAIL PREFERENCES
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

To: Mahir256
Cc: Mahir256, mrephabricator, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Nikki, 
Astuthiodit_1, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, ItamarWMDE, Akuckartz, 
Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, 
rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258391: Lemma not shown when linking senses unless the sense has a definition in the current language

[mrephabricator]

mrephabricator added a comment.


  It would be great if the links simply showed gloss(es) in the language of the 
lemma if available. As a matter of practicality, I am not in the habit of 
glossing senses in languages other than the language of the lexeme—each gloss 
takes a certain amount of time to add, and if I want to minimize the amount of 
time I am spending writing glosses this is optimal. I don

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258391

EMAIL PREFERENCES
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

To: mrephabricator
Cc: mrephabricator, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Nikki, Astuthiodit_1, 
karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, ItamarWMDE, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, 
Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, 
Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258391: Lemma not shown when linking senses unless the sense has a definition in the current language

[Nikki]

Nikki added a comment.


  I was about to report a bug about links to senses only showing the ID on 
property pages and then I realised it's this issue //yet again//. I am 
seriously tempted to start adding placeholder glosses for English as a 
workaround for this annoying, confusing design choice.

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258391

EMAIL PREFERENCES
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

To: Nikki
Cc: Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Nikki, Astuthiodit_1, karapayneWMDE, 
Invadibot, maantietaja, ItamarWMDE, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, 
GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, 
Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258391: Lemma not shown when linking senses unless the sense has a definition in the current language

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment.


  For the record, the decision to only show the sense ID when no gloss is 
available was made in T200983#4518320 
 and recently reaffirmed in 
T207392#8492626 .
  
  As a total guess, I think the reason for it might be that showing the 
lemma(s) alone (idea #1 in the task description) would make the sense look like 
a lexeme and cause confusion? (But if that’s true, I think ideas #2 or #3 would 
alleviate that.)

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258391

EMAIL PREFERENCES
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

To: Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
Cc: Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Nikki, Astuthiodit_1, karapayneWMDE, 
Invadibot, maantietaja, ItamarWMDE, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, 
GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, 
Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258391: Lemma not shown when linking senses unless the sense has a definition in the current language

[Nikki]

Nikki added a comment.


  This is not a duplicate of T89213 . 
The lemma should always be displayed. It's a bug that it depends on successful 
language fallback, because it shouldn't depend on language fallback in the 
first place.

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258391

EMAIL PREFERENCES
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

To: Nikki
Cc: Nikki, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, 
QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Bodhisattwa, Scott_WUaS, 
Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list
Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258391: Lemma not shown when linking senses unless the sense has a definition in the current language

[Nikki]

Nikki reopened this task as "Open".

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258391

EMAIL PREFERENCES
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

To: Nikki
Cc: Nikki, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, 
QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Bodhisattwa, Scott_WUaS, 
Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list
Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258391: Lemma not shown when linking senses unless the sense has a definition in the current language

[Bugreporter]

Bugreporter closed this task as a duplicate of T89213: Allow fallback to any 
language.

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258391

EMAIL PREFERENCES
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

To: Bugreporter
Cc: Nikki, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, 
QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Bodhisattwa, Scott_WUaS, 
Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list
Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258391: Lemma not shown when linking senses unless the sense has a definition in the current language

[Nikki]

Nikki created this task.
Nikki added a project: Wikidata Lexicographical data.
Restricted Application added a project: Wikidata.

TASK DESCRIPTION
  When linking to a sense, the lemma is not shown unless there is a sense 
defined for the current language (or one of the fallback languages for the 
current language). Since the lemma is independent of the senses, I would expect 
it to always be shown.
  
  I created an example on test.wikidata.org: 
https://test.wikidata.org/w/index.php?oldid=530138
  
  When viewing it in German 
, all the lemmas 
are shown because there is a sense defined in English or German for all of them.
  
  When viewing it in English 
 or French 
, the lemma is 
not shown for the two which don't have an English definition, only the sense ID.
  
  Some ideas for what it could display:
  
  - Just the lemma without a definition, e.g. "yet another lexeme"
  - The lemma with the sense ID in brackets after it, e.g. "yet another lexeme 
(L1338-S1)"
  - The lemma with text saying there's no sense definition in the current 
language, e.g. "yet another lexeme (//English definition missing//)"

TASK DETAIL
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258391

EMAIL PREFERENCES
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

To: Nikki
Cc: Nikki, Akuckartz, darthmon_wmde, Nandana, Mringgaard, Lahi, Gq86, 
GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, 
Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
___
Wikidata-bugs mailing list
Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs