[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2024-01-31 Thread Nikki
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  I recently found out that the extension.json files support the key 
`ExtraLanguageNames` (see docs/config-schema.yaml 
).
  
  The documentation isn't clear enough for me to understand how I'm supposed to 
use it, but after some trial and error it seems if I add the following to 
extension-repo.json, I get an entry in the list of languages for that value 
that I'm able to use to create items and lexemes and add monolingual text 
statements:
  
"config": {
"ExtraLanguageNames": {
"value": {
"en-x-extjson": "English (from extension.json)"
}
},
  
  Would that perhaps be an option? As I understand it, that would essentially 
be adding it to `$wgExtraLanguageNames` from the extension itself instead of 
from Wikimedia's config. The description of this ticket says that using 
`$wmgExtraLanguageNames` "was bad for several reasons" but I'm not sure what 
those reasons actually are. The main thing I can think of is that adding them 
to Wikimedia's config doesn't make them available to third-party users, but if 
they're added in extension.json, they would be.
  
  In T273627#9020435 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > @Michael pointed out one thing `$wmgExtraLanguageNames` //doesn’t// 
provide: language fallbacks. For example, `nan-hani` on Wikidata only falls 
back to `en`, not to `nan` (or `cdo`, `zh-hant`, `zh`, `zh-hans`). IMHO this 
might be worth tackling as part of this task (e.g., if we end up adding some 
place in the Wikibase config where autonyms of non-MediaWiki languages can be 
defined, perhaps that place should also support defining language fallbacks for 
them).
  
  Adding a language to Names.php doesn't provide language fallbacks either. 
Fallbacks (and direction) are defined separately in the 
`languages/messages/MessagesXx.php` files. I don't know why those 
MessagesXx.php files can't created in core if we've determined what the 
fallbacks/direction should be, but I discovered via includes/Hooks.php 

 and messages/MessagesEs_419.php 

 in the "LandingCheck" extension that it's possible for extensions to add their 
own MessagesXx.php files containing fallbacks/direction.
  
  I have no idea what I'm doing but I seem to have got my local test Wikibase 
to add fallbacks and direction for a custom language code by:
  
  creating `repo/messages/MessagesEn_x_extjson.php` with
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2023-11-08 Thread hoo
hoo updated the task description.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2023-11-08 Thread hoo
hoo added a subtask: T320889: Use the same list of languages for monolingual 
text and lexemes.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2023-07-23 Thread Bugreporter
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  In T273627#9020435 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > @Michael pointed out one thing `$wmgExtraLanguageNames` //doesn’t// 
provide: language fallbacks. For example, `nan-hani` on Wikidata only falls 
back to `en`, not to `nan` (or `cdo`, `zh-hant`, `zh`, `zh-hans`). IMHO this 
might be worth tackling as part of this task (e.g., if we end up adding some 
place in the Wikibase config where autonyms of non-MediaWiki languages can be 
defined, perhaps that place should also support defining language fallbacks for 
them).
  
  The (probably long term) solution is to complete the step 7 of T190129: 
Consolidate language metadata into a 'language-data' library and use in 
MediaWiki .

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2023-07-18 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment.


  It would probably make sense to fix this task before we do T341409: Use 
LanguageNameUtils::ALL for monolingual text and lexemes 
, otherwise all the new language 
codes added there will have the various inconsistencies that come with not 
being in `wmgExtraLanguageNames`.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2023-07-17 Thread Manuel
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  Interesting, Lucas and Michael! How does T341409 
 relate to this?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2023-07-17 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a subscriber: Michael.
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment.


  @Michael pointed out one thing `$wmgExtraLanguageNames` //doesn’t// provide: 
language fallbacks. For example, `nan-hani` on Wikidata only falls back to 
`en`, not to `nan` (or `cdo`, `zh-hant`, `zh`, `zh-hans`). IMHO this might be 
worth tackling as part of this task (e.g., if we end up adding some place in 
the Wikibase config where autonyms of non-MediaWiki languages can be defined, 
perhaps that place should also support defining language fallbacks for them).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2023-07-03 Thread Nikki
Nikki added a comment.


  Another place which appears to depend on wmgExtraLanguageNames:
  
  `meta=languageinfo` in the API. In 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query=languageinfo=autonym=2,
 languages in wmgExtraLanguageNames (e.g. `nan-hani`) have autonyms, those 
which are only defined in Wikibase (e.g. `fr-ca`) don't.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2022-07-27 Thread Manuel
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  Hi @Mahir256, you asked about this task in todays Wikidata office hour: This 
task is currently not a priority on its own. Instead, I plan to work on it in 
the context of improving the general process of new language codes (see T297350 
). Is there a specific reason why 
you brought it up? Cheers!

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2022-07-20 Thread Manuel
Manuel edited projects, added Wikidata-Campsite; removed Wikidata-Campsite 
(Team A Hearth ).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2022-06-09 Thread hoo
hoo moved this task from Peer Review to Incoming on the Wikidata-Campsite (Team 
A Hearth ) board.
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  Moving this back to incoming (as this is not worked on right now)… not sure 
we even want this in the hearth currently.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2022-05-31 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE removed a project: Patch-For-Review.
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  The Gerrit patch mentioned above was merged, but had been reassigned to 
T277836  in the meantime, so 
Gerritbot didn’t leave a comment here.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2022-05-31 Thread Manuel
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  I hoped that the "Patch-For-Review" tag meant that there is a solution to 
review. If this is not the case.. what would be the next step here?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2022-05-31 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
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  I’m not sure what this is doing in the review column, or what we’re supposed 
to review…

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2022-05-31 Thread Manuel
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2022-05-29 Thread Nikki
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  Some other places which appear to depend on wmgExtraLanguageNames:
  
  The language function 
 - 
`{{#language:nan-hani}}` used to display `nan-Hani` before it was added to 
`wmgExtraLanguageNames`, it now displays `閩南語`.
  
  wbcontentlanguages in the API - it used to have `null` for the autonym of 
`nan-hani`, it now has `閩南語`.
  
  The ULS language selector - adding `?uselang=nan-hani` used to cause the icon 
(next to the username) to be shown without any language name, it now displays 
`閩南語`.
  
  Babel - adding `nan-hani-0` to a babel box used to show 
`Template:nan-hani-0`, it now shows a normal babel box with `閩南語` as the 
language name.
  
  Special:Translate - it didn't used to accept `nan-hani`, it now does and 
displays `閩南語` as the tooltip for the language name.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2022-05-06 Thread hoo
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2022-05-06 Thread hoo
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2021-10-26 Thread gerritbot
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2021-10-26 Thread gerritbot
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  Change 734722 had a related patch set uploaded (by Mbch331; author: Mbch331):
  
  [operations/mediawiki-config@master] Add missing termbox codes from Wikibase
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/734722

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2021-06-13 Thread Nikki
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  Languages which aren't in wmgExtraLanguageNames also don't sort properly on 
Special:NewItem (see e.g. T272346 )

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2021-06-11 Thread Bugreporter
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2021-02-25 Thread Lydia_Pintscher
Lydia_Pintscher closed subtask T124758: [Story] Show all available languages in 
monolingual text values suggester as Resolved.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2021-02-02 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a parent task: T263441: Clean up 
$wgExtraLanguageNames production config.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2021-02-02 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added subtasks: T124758: [Story] Show all available 
languages in monolingual text value's suggester, T273625: Make lexeme language 
codes inherit from Wikibase default terms languages, not MediaWiki content 
languages.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T273627: Remove wmgExtraLanguageNames from Wikimedia production

2021-02-02 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE created this task.
Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added projects: Wikidata, Language codes.
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TASK DESCRIPTION
  Time was, extra language codes for Wikidata labels were added by adding them 
to the `wmgExtraLanguageNames` in the `wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php` (for 
the wikidata dblist and later also commonswiki). This was bad for several 
reasons, and so we eventually moved that configuration to Wikibase (T260118: 
Move content of $wgExtraLanguageNames on Wikidata to default Terms languages 
). However, soon afterwards we added 
the `wmgExtraLanguageNames` back to the production config (T264295: Reinstate 
$wgExtraLanguageCodes in production 
). We would like to remove it again 
to avoid confusion and issues – for instance, T272242: Language code "dag" for 
Dagbani does not work for lexemes  
happened because the language code `'dag'` was added to the Wikibase list but 
not the `wmgExtraLanguageNames`.
  
  Removing the production `wmgExtraLanguageNames` is blocked on at least two 
tasks:
  
  - T124758: [Story] Show all available languages in monolingual text value's 
suggester . This is the original 
reason we reinstated `wmgExtraLanguageNames`: without it, those additional 
languages are harder to use.
  - T273625: Make lexeme language codes inherit from Wikibase default terms 
languages, not MediaWiki content languages 
. Language codes like `kea`, `nod` 
and `ota` are currently only available for Lexemes on Wikidata because they are 
in the `wmgExtraLanguageNames` – they’re also in the Wikibase language codes, 
but WikibaseLexeme currently doesn’t use those. If we remove 
`wmgExtraLanguageNames` before T273625 
 is done, then those language codes 
will become unavailable for Lexemes on Wikidata.

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