[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

[Nikki]

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  What does "proper support" mean here? Do you want to be able to use them for 
labels? For monolingual text? Only lexemes?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

[Nikki]

Nikki added a subtask: T322138: Language names for nr and nd are missing in the 
lexeme extension.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

[Amire80]

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  In T317193#8313914 , 
@jhsoby wrote:
  
  > I am actually surprised that `nd` and `nr` aren't already in Names.php – I 
thought all ISO 639-1 codes (two-letter codes) were there, but that was 
apparently an incorrect assumption.
  
  No, not all two-letter codes are there. In practice, these two languages are 
among the very few that are still not there, and that's one of the reasons why 
I'd really love to have translators into them.
  
  > @Amire80 Would it be problematic to add them there even if they haven't 
completed the necessary localization?
  
  Yes, it's problematic, for two reasons:
  
  1. Names.php is for languages in which there is some localization.
  2. I don't have reliable information about the autonyms.
  
  In language-data (not Names.php) we already have the following:
  
nd: [Latn, [AF], siNdebele saseNyakatho]
nr: [Latn, [AF], isiNdebele seSewula]
  
  I added these two lines years ago based on the English Wikipedia. I wouldn't 
do it today because I'm not sure that they are correct: the English Wikipedia 
didn't have reliable sources for these autonyms then, and one of them (nd) 
changed to "isiNdebele saseNyakatho", and it still doesn't cite a source. So 
that's the problem with reliability, but they also have to be **distinct**. 
"Ndebele" by itself is //probably// written as "isiNdebele" in each of them, so 
another word is needed for both to distinguish them in a list of languages. A 
reliable source would be dictionaries or grammar books, for **each** language. 
(Also, the country name is sometimes added in parentheses, but I really dislike 
this solution. Country names change surprisingly often.)
  
  Not having autonyms is not a blocker for adding them to Wikidata, but if 
anyone seriously wants to add lexemes in these languages, then I'd also like to 
get reliable information about autonyms from that p person :)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

[gerritbot]

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  Change 828887 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Add language codes of Ndebele 
(Northern/Southern)
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/828887

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[jhsoby]

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  Northern & Southern Ndebele are fine to add, of course. Nothing to be done at 
this level about Northern Sotho – like @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE pointed out in 
Telegram, the problem with input there is T284882 
, so the problem is not that the 
language code is missing.
  
  I am actually surprised that `nd` and `nr` aren't already in Names.php – I 
thought all ISO 639-1 codes (two-letter codes) were there, but that was 
apparently an incorrect assumption. @Amire80 Would it be problematic to add 
them there even if they haven't completed the necessary localization?

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[Amire80]

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  On Sepedi / Northern Sotho
  --
  
  There's probably nothing to do about Sepedi. It can be added if you select 
"Northern Sotho". There's a debate about what the name of the language should 
be, and it's documented with pretty good references on the English Wikipedia 
article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sotho_language . (Disclaimer: I 
added some of these references myself a few years ago. I hope it's clear from 
my edits that I don't have a strong opinion either way. From what I heard till 
now, there are good arguments for both names, and no clear "winner". But I'm 
not actually claiming to be an expert.)
  
  If anyone has good arguments for changing the English-language label of item 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33890 or the title of the English Wikipedia 
article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sotho_language from "Northern 
Sotho" to "Sepedi", this should be discussed on the respective talk pages in 
Wikidata and in the English Wikipedia.
  
  If anyone thinks that it should be possible to add lexemes separately in both 
Northern Sotho and in Sepedi, then "nso" should probably be used for Northern 
Sotho, and a code with a subtag for Sepedi. However, I suspect that this is not 
what's being asked here.

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  I’m not sure if LangCom watch the Phabricator board or should be pinged (I 
usually only see these tasks when they have approval ^^) maybe @Amire80 or 
@jhsoby can take a look at this task?

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[AGutman-WMF]

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  Ok, who is responsible for this approval? Could we ping them?
  
  Currently we would like to add lexemes in these languages, but I suppose all 
use cases should ultimately be supported.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  Not without LangCom approval, which hasn’t happened yet as far as I can tell.
  
  IMHO this task should at least specify whether the language codes are 
intended to be added for lexemes, monolingual languages, or item 
labels/descriptions/aliases.

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[AGutman-WMF]

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  Can we go forward with nd & nr codes?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

[Mahir256]

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  T209282  and T284882 
 are the reasons that nso must be 
specified manually; it is not about any lack of support within WikibaseLexeme 
or elsewhere.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

[Keet10]

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  nso isn't fully supported; see second part of the description above. 
Specifically, as shown in the screencast: you get error messages and have to 
fill in the language code in the variant spelling of lemma box (noting that 
language code is not variant spelling of a lemma). For the the properly/fully 
supported ones, you just select the language from the drop-down list in the 
language box and create immediately. Hence, my suspicion that there's more than 
one place where language support is dealt with and consequently at least two 
places to fix it.
  Of course, a workaround for isiNdebele like the nso one will be better than 
the current state of none/miscellaneous.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

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  I'm taking care of the Ndebele language codes (nd & nr) in 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/828887.
  
  As for the nso code  it seems it is already supported (see 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L690524)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele

[Keet10]

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"Add language codes for Sepedi and isiNdebele".

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes dor Sepedi and isiNdebele

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes dor Sepedi and isiNdebele

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  Change 828887 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ariel Gutman; author: 
L10n-bot):
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Add language codes of Ndebele 
(Northern/Southern)
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/828887

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T317193: Add language codes dor Sepedi and isiNdebele

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  This is a spin-off ticket from T289776 
, requesting proper language support 
in Wikidata for two languages specifically:
  
  1. nso - Sepedi / Sesotho sa Leboa / Pedi / Northern Sotho
  2. nr / nbl - isiNdebele / Southern Ndebele / Ndebele of South Africa 
(there’s also 'Northern Ndebele' [nd / nde], also called isiNdebele / Ndebele, 
spoken in Zimbabwe — adding both would be good as well)
  
  They are both among the 11 official languages of South Africa. Sepedi also 
has its own Wikipedia.
  
  They both already have Qitems: 
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33890 for Sepedi
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13155057 and 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36785 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35613 
for isiNdebele (and northern and southern)
  
  Note that they currently have different levels of support in Wikidata, so a 
patch likely will be more than adding the ISO codes at one place only. 
Specifically:
  
  - Sepedi (nso) lexemes can be added through a counterintuitive workaround by 
abusing the ’spelling variant of the Lemma’ box and typing nso.
  - There’s no such option for any of the four possible isiNdebele ISO codes.
  
  Note also that they show up in the “Lexeme’s language” dropdown list by 
various names, which I all tried just in case it might influence the system’s 
behaviour. I made two screencasts that show one instance of these attempts each:
  Sepedi, trying to add ‘website’: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VYofNFXzFW-E1wS-1bZh-72EFrgX2z65/view?usp=sharing
  isiNdebele, trying to add ‘computer’: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1klWgYNDMR_ZMZLUXAPQo5ACdUPfWFNdT/view?usp=sharing

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