[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T336361: [Analytics] Identify access via mobile devices independent of tags

2023-08-14 Thread Manuel 
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2023-08-11 Thread Manuel 
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  Ah, I see! This task was only about finding a way to reliably identify all 
uses (viewing and editing) from mobile devices, independent of their tags.
  
  Once we have a reliable way of detecting the user device type, the next goal 
will be along the lines of what you wrote, so it's very okay to invest in this.

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  Or am I just jumping to the question in the description and we just want to 
figure out mobile edits and views over the period?

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2023-08-11 Thread AndrewTavis_WMDE 
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  I guess I'm confused what the goal here is then 樂 As I understand it we're 
looking for users who are using the normal desktop UI on a mobile device. For 
the `wmf.webrequest` table we'd then use:
  
  - `user_agent` -> device used via `python-user-agent` and 
`user_agent.parse(ua_value).is_mobile`
  - `access_method` -> UI used
  
  We then get a breakdown that includes those who have a `desktop` 
`access_method` but are derived to be using a mobile device as well as the 
other combinations.

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2023-08-11 Thread Manuel 
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  Yes, I edited my comment, as I missed this important point: access_method 
just checks the URL for indications of a mobile UI, so it is about UI and not 
about device. So it is out of scope here, after all.

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2023-08-11 Thread AndrewTavis_WMDE 
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  My understanding of `access_method` is that it's only related to `user_agent` 
for mobile apps:
  
  > Mobile app requests are identified by the user agent including 
`WikipediaApp` or `Wikipedia/5.0`.
  
  For web requests it's based on the subdomains.

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2023-08-11 Thread AndrewTavis_WMDE 
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  I've already checked and there are differences between a `python-user-agents` 
derived device via `user_agents.parse(ua_value).is_mobile` and the 
`access_method`. Specifically we are getting users where the device from 
`.is_mobile` is `mobile`, but the access method is `desktop` implying that 
they're not using a `m.URL`.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T336361: [Analytics] Identify access via mobile devices independent of tags

2023-08-11 Thread Manuel 
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  > Are we trying then the combination of user_agent_var.is_mobile = True and 
access_method = "desktop" via the access_method column from wmf.webrequest?
  
  It is important to keep user devices and Wikidata UI separate here. For now 
we are only trying to get the device side right.
  
  From your notes in the description I took that `access_method` is related to 
the UI shown and not the device used. But based on Wikitech 
 
and your comment T336361#9084157 
 it seems to only be a pre 
aggregation of user agents.
  
  So all of these would be alternative ways to get to the type of our users' 
devices:
  
  - `access_method` (pre-aggregation in `webrequests`)
  - the code linked above (used in the context of Varnish)
  - is_mobile (using python-user-agents)
  
  My guess would be that python-user-agents uses the most advanced algorithm of 
the three. On the other hand, `access_method` would be very convenient.
  
  So could you please quickly test how well `access_method` is doing in 
comparison? A week of distinct user agents would do the trick, I believe:
  
  - distinct user agents
  - is_mobile value
  - `access_method`
  - #of accesses
  
  The interesting parts would be where the two sources are not aligned.

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2023-08-10 Thread AndrewTavis_WMDE 
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  @Manuel, I've been using python-user-agents 
 and so far it's going ok in so 
far as the `.ismobile` method seems to be working well. Are we trying then the 
combination of `user_agent_var.ismobile = True` and `access_method = "desktop"` 
via the `access_method` column from wmf.webrequest 
? 
For this column:
  
  > Mobile web requests are identified by the hostname containing a subdomain 
of `m`, `zero`, `wap`, or `mobile`. Any other request is classified as 
`desktop`.
  
  Let me know if this sounds alright to you :)

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2023-08-10 Thread AndrewTavis_WMDE 
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  @Manuel, just a note on using the `wmf.webrequest` table: now that I'm using 
Spark a bit more and can see the number of steps, it's definitely worth it to 
try to restrict the data based on the year and month as we're doing. Selecting 
30 days over two months takes dramatically longer than if we set the month 
column in the `WHERE` clause - roughly three times longer based on number of 
steps.
  
  Some bad news, the following query returns no distinct values for the 
`ch_ua_mobile` column:
  

SELECT
DISTINCT(ch_ua_mobile) AS ch_ua_mobile_values

FROM 
wmf.webrequest

WHERE
year = 2023
AND month = 7
AND '2023-07-01' <= dt
AND dt < '2023-08-01'
AND uri_host = 'www.wikidata.org'
  
  I've asked in `working-with-data` as we discussed :)

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  That was very helpful, thank you, @Michael!

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  > How do we deal with API consumers that disguise themselves as browsers?
  
  I'm not fully sure if that is true across the board, but from a quick look, 
it seems that API requests from the browser seem to usually have a referrer 
header set. Also, they usually have some cookies attached to them. I do not 
know if these pieces of information are available in the data you're looking 
at, and you might have better ones anyway. Just wanted share my quick thoughts 
from the perspective of dev that works on the interface.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T336361: [Analytics] Identify access via mobile devices independent of tags

2023-08-09 Thread Manuel 
Manuel updated the task description.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T336361: [Analytics] Identify access via mobile devices independent of tags

2023-08-09 Thread Manuel 
Manuel updated the task description.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T336361: [Analytics] Identify access via mobile devices independent of tags

2023-08-09 Thread Manuel 
Manuel updated the task description.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T336361: [Analytics] Identify access via mobile devices independent of tags

2023-08-09 Thread Manuel 
Manuel renamed this task from "[Analytics] Identify access via mobile phones 
independent of tags   " to "[Analytics] Identify access via mobile devices 
independent of tags   ".
Manuel updated the task description.

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