[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-21 Thread Pppery 
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  In T363538#9815582 , 
@Kusma wrote:
  
  > The easiest solution in my view is to let mos: become a normal interwiki 
prefix like all others. Yes, this breaks a couple thousand links on the English 
Wikipedia. Most of them (those not in old edit summaries) can be fixed by a few 
bot runs. For the people who type in shortcuts or follow links from old edit 
summaries, just temporarily (for a year or two) turn the target pages on the 
new Moore Wikipedia into soft redirects with information that this is a 
deprecated shortcut.
  >
  > I do not think weird special cases in the interwiki system are a good idea. 
(And I say that as an enwiki editor who likes the MOS: shortcuts and has 
defended them at RFD for more than a decade).
  
  I think you're vastly underestimating the scale of the problem:
  
  At 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Moor%C3%A9#Comments,
 @Pcoombe wrote:
  
  > Unfortunately I don't think breaking all those links on en.wikipedia is 
viable. Even if you could convince the community to start using longer WP: 
style shortcuts (good luck!) and update the documentation everywhere, you'll 
still break all the uses in past edit summaries. A quick query suggests that's 
around 42,000 uses of MOS: in June 2023 alone.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-21 Thread Pppery 
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  Disagree - this is fundamentally about the creating new wikis process.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-21 Thread Dzahn 
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  Removed Wiki-Setup because that is about creating new wikis and I think not 
really related.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-21 Thread Dzahn 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-21 Thread Kusma 
Kusma added a comment.


  The easiest solution in my view is to let mos: become a normal interwiki 
prefix like all others. Yes, this breaks a couple thousand links on the English 
Wikipedia. Most of them (those not in old edit summaries) can be fixed by a few 
bot runs. For the people who type in shortcuts or follow links from old edit 
summaries, just temporarily (for a year or two) turn the target pages on the 
new Moore Wikipedia into soft redirects with information that this is a 
deprecated shortcut.
  
  I do not think weird special cases in the interwiki system are a good idea. 
(And I say that as an enwiki editor who likes the MOS: shortcuts and has 
defended them at RFD for more than a decade).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-04 Thread Dcljr 
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  In T363538#9765785 , 
@Pppery wrote:
  
  > Although it looks like Meta is currently treated by the interwiki system as 
a Wikipedia even though it isn't one
  
  Bummer. Is this a holdover from the days when Meta was considered the 
"metawikipedia"? Might it be easier to change that than to figure out some 
other workaround (assuming it is necessary)?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-02 Thread Pppery 
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  Although it looks like Meta is currently treated by the interwiki system as a 
Wikipedia even though it isn't one, so if the decision is to de-interwiki 
"mos:" on all Wikipedias (as opposed to de-interwikiing it only on en, zh, and 
dag wikipedias) it will need more special-case code.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-02 Thread Pppery 
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  "m:mos" would  indeed. I have no idea how Wikidata interacts with this 
system, though.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T363538: Decide what to do about Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia

2024-05-02 Thread Dcljr 
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  In T363538#9748082 , 
@jhsoby wrote:
  
  >> - Create the wiki at mos.wikipedia.org and add hacks to the dumpInterwiki 
script in #mediawiki-extensions-wikimediamaintenance 

 so, either only for enwiki or for all wikis mos: doesn't become an interwiki. 
I've written a patch for this locally, and it's similar to what we already do 
for Swedish ("s:" isn't an interwiki on Swedish Wikipedia because they 
abbreviate "saint" as s:t), but that caused problems like T177913 
 and probably others.
  >
  > Sounds doable, but how will interwiki links to the Mossi Wikipedia be added 
to enwiki then? AFAIK, "under the hood" Wikibase still inserts interwiki links 
with the `[[old:syntax]]`, it's just that it happens out of sight.
  
  If "mos:" only doesn't work at enwiki, then "m:mos:" would still work there, 
correct? (Currently, for example, both links to "[[m:ms:]]" and searches for 
"m:ms:" [in the search bar at the top of every page] work to get you to the 
Malay Wikipedia. But that search doesn't work on the Special:Search page.) 
OTOH, this wouldn't work if the prefix is disabled everywhere.
  
  Of course, adding local magical interwiki links of the kind provided remotely 
by Wikidata would not be possible, but would the ones provided by Wikidata 
still work?

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2024-04-26 Thread Pppery 
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