Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels
Theoretically multitext could be replaced, but I would not like to do that. A property like Tagline for a movie or motto for a country might make sense to be a multitext. Yes, you could make the tagline of a movie an item -- but do we really want to require it to be an intermediary item? The subtitle of a book? The ring name of a wrestler? Monotext is irreplaceable, though, and it means a simple string without a language designation. Something like Chemical symbol, I guess, would be a monotext, or ISO 3166 code. A intermediary item could not do the job in that case. Therefore I think we should not get rid of monotext and multitext. Cheers, Denny 2012/8/15 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com: Basically what Daniel proposed is, that it would be best practice that for every string that refers to a concept, event, thing, person, unless the editor is certain about item identity, a new wikidata item entity should be created. I could imagine this as a possible and perhaps elegant solution. My concern is the handling of unknown identity and a workflow towards improved identity recognition, not a discussion string versus item. Could it be that the types http://wikidata.org/vocabulary/datatype_monotext http://wikidata.org/vocabulary/datatype_multitext become redundant then? Is it possible to simplify the wikidata model by specifying that all language-specific strings are to be represented by an item that keeps the translations together? I find this appealing... Gregor ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels
2012/8/17 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com: Monotext is irreplaceable, though, and it means a simple string without a language designation. Something like Chemical symbol, I guess, would be a monotext, or ISO 3166 code. A intermediary item could not do the job in that case. I think this would be xsd:String in the wikidata model (which has 3 String types). Monotext was defined to be with language designation. (Note: I have not fully understood the use cases for Monotext, see comment on wiki, perhaps they can be elaborated on the data model page and contrasted with language-neutral/zxx String and multilingual text). You are right, I mixed them up (that comes from not checking). The usecase for monolingual text are a bit rare, and I am thinking of things like official motto (which is usually not translated), etymological annotations, or the official name of a company (also, usually not translated), the species name maybe? We have to think carefully about how delineate them from each other in the entry forms, or otherwise it might end up a bit messy. I hope it is a bit clearer. I think that there are usecases for all three text types (monotext, multitext, string) and that a unification of some of them do not make sense. As usual, I might be wrong :) Cheers, Denny ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels
You are right, I mixed them up (that comes from not checking). The usecase for monolingual text are a bit rare, and I am thinking of things like official motto (which is usually not translated), I think if it is only usually not, but sometimes indeed translated, using multilingual for the property would be a better choice. If only one language is available, the language fallback would always end with this. etymological annotations, or the official name of a company (also, usually not translated), usually. Companies sometimes do run under local names (or variations): de: Sanyo Denki K.K. ja: San’yō Denki Kabushiki-gaisha, en: SANYO Electric Co. Ltd. carefully about how delineate them from each other in the entry forms, or otherwise it might end up a bit messy. I think when adding the option for non-linguistic content (= ISO zxx) for language-neutral entities (e.g. for scientific species names, post codes), this type is the least needed. (If anything, it may be more valuable to add a default flag to indicate a primary name that should be used prior to the first in a language fallback. This would be valuable in mixed cases, where a string is translated in a few cases, but not in the majority of languages (the usually not case). Else in a rare border case, where a German company that provides translations to Japanese and Chinese, but not to english, a language fallback chain that does contain German may accidentally end up with Chinese. This solves a border case within the multilingual type which I believe cannot be solved with monolingual text.) Gregor (Often wrong but never in doubt :-) ) ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] extension:oversight
THIS EXTENSION IS OBSOLETE! It has been replaced by core functionality in the MediaWiki software (which was added in version 1.16.0). [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight On 17.08.2012 06:50, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Hey folks :) Here is your fresh serving of Wikidata news for the week before 2012-08-17. The wiki version is here if you prefer that: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Status_updates/2012_08_17 = Development = * Installed a lot of extensions on the demo system http://wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Special:Version Let us know if any important ones are missing. * Going to old versions and undoing changes works as expected * The history and recent changes show useable comments now * The Universal Language Selector is installed on the demo and replaces the Stick to that Language extension * Updated Wikibase client code for fetching and displaying links from a shared (with the repo) database table, and optionally overriding them with interwiki links from local wikitext. * Improved internationalization messages * Added selenium tests for undo, rollback, restore, diffs, old revisions, history and a few more * Setup MAC to be part of our selenium grid testing environment * Fixed many little bugs in the UI, including cross browser issues * Improved modularity of client side caching and generalized it to work with any type of entity rather than just items. * Wrote up interfaces for snaks, statements and related stuff for the second phase of Wikidata See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Current_sprint for what we're working on next. You can follow our commits here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/(status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase)+OR+(status:merged+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase),n,z and view the ones awaiting review here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase,n,z = Discussions/Press = * Internationalization, localization and co in preparation for deployment discussions on a rtl-language Wikipedia * Some mentions of Wikidata in relation to a re-design proposal that became pretty popular: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/design-und-daten-wikipedia-soll-schoener-werden-a-848904.html = Events = see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events * upcoming: Campus Party * upcoming: FrOSCon * We submitted a SxSW proposal. It'd be awesome if you'd vote for us. http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote/3710 = Other Noteworthy Stuff = * Logo is settled and all good now after some modifications: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-logo-en.svg and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-logo.svg We'll be making stickers and stuff next. = Open Tasks for You = * If you want to code check https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=need-volunteerkeywords_type=allwordslist_id=134818resolution=---resolution=LATERresolution=DUPLICATEquery_format=advancedcomponent=WikidataClientcomponent=WikidataRepoproduct=MediaWiki%20extensions * Help spread the word about Wikidata in your Wikipedia if it's not being talked about there yet. * Help translate the most important pages on meta and the software on translatewiki.net Anything to add? Please share! :) Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] extension:oversight
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 3:51 PM, jmccl...@hypergrove.com wrote: This extension is obsolete! It has been replaced by core functionality in the MediaWiki software (which was added in version 1.16.0). [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight What is your point? Oversight seems not have been mentioned in or have relevance to the message you quoted. -Jeremy ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] extension:oversight
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:51 PM, jmccl...@hypergrove.com wrote: ** *This extension is obsolete!* It has been replaced by core functionality in the MediaWiki software (which was added in version 1.16.0). [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight The extension is still installed on Wikipedia, as there are revisions that used that and are still in the database. It's a bit irrelevant for Wikidata though and don't think it affects the test system much at all, whether or not we have that extension. Developers have created a maintenance script to migrate all the old stuff to the new system, so that Oversight can eventually be uninstalled. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18598 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/18229/ Cheers, Katie On 17.08.2012 06:50, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Hey folks :) Here is your fresh serving of Wikidata news for the week before 2012-08-17. The wiki version is here if you prefer that:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Status_updates/2012_08_17 = Development = * Installed a lot of extensions on the demo systemhttp://wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Special:Version Let us know if any important ones are missing. * Going to old versions and undoing changes works as expected * The history and recent changes show useable comments now * The Universal Language Selector is installed on the demo and replaces the Stick to that Language extension * Updated Wikibase client code for fetching and displaying links from a shared (with the repo) database table, and optionally overriding them with interwiki links from local wikitext. * Improved internationalization messages * Added selenium tests for undo, rollback, restore, diffs, old revisions, history and a few more * Setup MAC to be part of our selenium grid testing environment * Fixed many little bugs in the UI, including cross browser issues * Improved modularity of client side caching and generalized it to work with any type of entity rather than just items. * Wrote up interfaces for snaks, statements and related stuff for the second phase of Wikidata See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Current_sprint for what we’re working on next. You can follow our commits here:https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/(status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase)+OR+(status:merged+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase),n,z and view the ones awaiting review here:https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase,n,z = Discussions/Press = * Internationalization, localization and co in preparation for deployment discussions on a rtl-language Wikipedia * Some mentions of Wikidata in relation to a re-design proposal that became pretty popular:http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/design-und-daten-wikipedia-soll-schoener-werden-a-848904.html = Events = see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events * upcoming: Campus Party * upcoming: FrOSCon * We submitted a SxSW proposal. It’d be awesome if you’d vote for us.http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote/3710 = Other Noteworthy Stuff = * Logo is settled and all good now after some modifications:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-logo-en.svg andhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-logo.svg We’ll be making stickers and stuff next. = Open Tasks for You = * If you want to code checkhttps://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=need-volunteerkeywords_type=allwordslist_id=134818resolution=---resolution=LATERresolution=DUPLICATEquery_format=advancedcomponent=WikidataClientcomponent=WikidataRepoproduct=MediaWiki%20extensions * Help spread the word about Wikidata in your Wikipedia if it’s not being talked about there yet. * Help translate the most important pages on meta and the software ontranslatewiki.net Anything to add? Please share! :) Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlinwww.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing listWikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Katie Filbert Wikidata Developer Wikimedia Germany e.V. | NEW: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Phone (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Germany - Society for the Promotion of free knowledge eV Entered in the register of Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg under the number 23 855 as
[Wikidata-l] please remove me from this list...
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Re: [Wikidata-l] extension:oversight
The idea of installing the extensions that are running on the Wikipedias on the client is to see if we encounter any weird interactions that shouldn't be there, i.e. it is some mild form of integration testing. Thus installing Oversight makes sense, as it runs on the Wikipedias. Cheers, Denny 2012/8/17 Katie Filbert katie.filb...@wikimedia.de: On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:51 PM, jmccl...@hypergrove.com wrote: This extension is obsolete! It has been replaced by core functionality in the MediaWiki software (which was added in version 1.16.0). [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight The extension is still installed on Wikipedia, as there are revisions that used that and are still in the database. It's a bit irrelevant for Wikidata though and don't think it affects the test system much at all, whether or not we have that extension. Developers have created a maintenance script to migrate all the old stuff to the new system, so that Oversight can eventually be uninstalled. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18598 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/18229/ Cheers, Katie On 17.08.2012 06:50, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Hey folks :) Here is your fresh serving of Wikidata news for the week before 2012-08-17. The wiki version is here if you prefer that: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Status_updates/2012_08_17 = Development = * Installed a lot of extensions on the demo system http://wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Special:Version Let us know if any important ones are missing. * Going to old versions and undoing changes works as expected * The history and recent changes show useable comments now * The Universal Language Selector is installed on the demo and replaces the Stick to that Language extension * Updated Wikibase client code for fetching and displaying links from a shared (with the repo) database table, and optionally overriding them with interwiki links from local wikitext. * Improved internationalization messages * Added selenium tests for undo, rollback, restore, diffs, old revisions, history and a few more * Setup MAC to be part of our selenium grid testing environment * Fixed many little bugs in the UI, including cross browser issues * Improved modularity of client side caching and generalized it to work with any type of entity rather than just items. * Wrote up interfaces for snaks, statements and related stuff for the second phase of Wikidata See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Current_sprint for what we’re working on next. You can follow our commits here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/(status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase)+OR+(status:merged+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase),n,z and view the ones awaiting review here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase,n,z = Discussions/Press = * Internationalization, localization and co in preparation for deployment discussions on a rtl-language Wikipedia * Some mentions of Wikidata in relation to a re-design proposal that became pretty popular: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/design-und-daten-wikipedia-soll-schoener-werden-a-848904.html = Events = see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events * upcoming: Campus Party * upcoming: FrOSCon * We submitted a SxSW proposal. It’d be awesome if you’d vote for us. http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote/3710 = Other Noteworthy Stuff = * Logo is settled and all good now after some modifications: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-logo-en.svg and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-logo.svg We’ll be making stickers and stuff next. = Open Tasks for You = * If you want to code check https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=need-volunteerkeywords_type=allwordslist_id=134818resolution=---resolution=LATERresolution=DUPLICATEquery_format=advancedcomponent=WikidataClientcomponent=WikidataRepoproduct=MediaWiki%20extensions * Help spread the word about Wikidata in your Wikipedia if it’s not being talked about there yet. * Help translate the most important pages on meta and the software on translatewiki.net Anything to add? Please share! :) Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikidata-l] please remove me from this list...
Heya, I will do this in a sec. In the future please send such requests to me and not the list or use the link at the bottom of every email to this list. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
