Re: [Wikidata-l] Introduction and some questions on Wikidata

[Gregor Hagedorn]

> First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata 
> should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we 
> should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata.
> External data-sources will be interested as well and for sure but the purpose 
> of wikidata is still cenralizing of what we already have.

A side remark, because I believe this needs some further discussion. I
agree that Wikidata should be focusing on the kind of data Wikipedia
has or which are suitable for Wikipedia. However, since the Wikipedia
data are not systematically sourced (they may be unsourced or the
source is only available in edit comments, talk page etc.), it will be
very valuable to import relevant, sourced data that have the right
scope.

Gregor

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Introduction and some questions on Wikidata

[Luca Martinelli]

2012/11/15 Marco Fleckinger :
> First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata 
> should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we 
> should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata.
>
> External data-sources will be interested as well and for sure but the purpose 
> of wikidata is still cenralizing of what we already have.

For the time being (i.e. until mid-2013), I assume.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Introduction and some questions on Wikidata

[Marco Fleckinger]

Hi,

Bernardo Najlis  schrieb:

>My name is Bernardo and I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant in
>Toronto, Canada. I've been reading pretty much everything about
>WikiData
>over the past few days, and I'm really excited about this project! I
>would
>love to participate and collaborate in developing tools to bring data
>from
>external sources, particularly the vast open data sets that are so
>common
>right now.
>
First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata 
should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we 
should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata.

External data-sources will be interested as well and for sure but the purpose 
of wikidata is still cenralizing of what we already have.

>I have some questions about the project and how can I participate, that
>you
>might be able to help me with:
>
>1) I know the data import is planned for a future phase 2. Do you think
>it
>would be useful to start working on some of that now?
>
At the moment I think there is nothing ready of this phase for beeing tested. 
You could participate here on discussing models for implementation.

>2) I also learned that you guys had a round
>tableon June 21 about this
>topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and
>been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion
>was.
>Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there?
>
>3) Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to
>bring
>data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if
>this is
>too early in the project.
>
You got it, it is too early talking about data-bots. Phase 1 had just been 
released. Actually there are many use-cases I could think of. But there are 
many others for sure as well ;-)

At the moment you could help fixing bugs, testing everything recently released 
(e.g. http://wikidata.org)

Marco


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Re: [Wikidata-l] Quick clarification on infobox migration

[Tom Morris]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Roger Hyam  wrote:
>
> > *If* I were to a work on an editor tool would it be feasible to think in
> terms of editing existing syntax for now and in version two adding a
> "migrate to wikidata" button? Would all the exiting infoboxes move over to
> wikidata in a 'big bang' approach?
>
> Potentially but I'd need to see the specific case you'd like to write
> a tool for. I don't think it'll be technically feasible to migrate
> everything with the click of a button.
> Infoboxes will move at the pace the editors migrate them
> (automatically or by hand).
>

I believe he's talking about these infoboxes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Taxobox
They are quite regular in their contents so are good candidates for
automated editing/migration support.

Tom
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[Wikidata-l] Introduction and some questions on Wikidata

[Bernardo Najlis]

Hi Everyone,

My name is Bernardo and I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant in
Toronto, Canada. I've been reading pretty much everything about WikiData
over the past few days, and I'm really excited about this project! I would
love to participate and collaborate in developing tools to bring data from
external sources, particularly the vast open data sets that are so common
right now.

I have some questions about the project and how can I participate, that you
might be able to help me with:

1) I know the data import is planned for a future phase 2. Do you think it
would be useful to start working on some of that now?

2) I also learned that you guys had a round
tableon June 21 about this
topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and
been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion was.
Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there?

3) Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to bring
data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if this is
too early in the project.

Thanks,

Bernardo Najlis
CRM & Business Intelligence Consultant
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Pseudo-empty items

[Bináris]

I hope these are transitional problems only. In this case there was only
one language, so fallback was not really relevant (the item has been
deleted since). But it woul dreally be strange if the text disappeared upon
adding the second language version. Perhaps it would be a solution to
display them in chronological order until fallback is established.

Gadgets are great, but I hope to see basic functions in the core.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Type System / Ontology

[Dominic Looser]

Nice, thanks!

On 14.11.2012, at 14:48, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Dominic Looser
>  wrote:
>> Dear Wikidata-People,
>> I was wondering what sort of Type System / Ontology is planned.
>> I have in mind something similar to the DBpedia-Ontology. To be able,
>> for example, to query Wikidata for all languages or all movies. Is
>> something like this planned and if yes, how will it work?
> 
> Hey Dominic,
> 
> Denny wrote a text giving a detailed answer to this. It's not
> published yet. I'll check what the status of that is for you.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Lydia
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Type System / Ontology

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Dominic Looser
 wrote:
> Dear Wikidata-People,
> I was wondering what sort of Type System / Ontology is planned.
> I have in mind something similar to the DBpedia-Ontology. To be able,
> for example, to query Wikidata for all languages or all movies. Is
> something like this planned and if yes, how will it work?

Hey Dominic,

Denny wrote a text giving a detailed answer to this. It's not
published yet. I'll check what the status of that is for you.


Cheers
Lydia

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[Wikidata-l] Type System / Ontology

[Dominic Looser]

Dear Wikidata-People,
I was wondering what sort of Type System / Ontology is planned. 
I have in mind something similar to the DBpedia-Ontology. To be able,
for example, to query Wikidata for all languages or all movies. Is 
something like this planned and if yes, how will it work?
Best,
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Items where my language is missing

[Marco Fleckinger]

Lydia Pintscher  schrieb:

>On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Wojciech Pędzich 
>wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I am new to Wikidata, so forgive me if I make a question that is so
>obvious you'll raise your eyebrows. I did not find the info in the
>docs, however.
>>
>> Is there a tool which lists the items wheere a given language would
>be missing? For instance, if I want to add PL.wiki references that
>actually exist or if I want to check which articles are missing from
>pl.wiki and should perhpas be wrotten?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> [[User:Wpedzich]]
>
>There is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31508/ which will go live
>on wikidata.org with the next deployment.
>
Thank you for mentioning this. Wpedzich, that was a really good question.

Cheers

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Items where my language is missing

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Wojciech Pędzich  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I am new to Wikidata, so forgive me if I make a question that is so obvious 
> you'll raise your eyebrows. I did not find the info in the docs, however.
>
> Is there a tool which lists the items wheere a given language would be 
> missing? For instance, if I want to add PL.wiki references that actually 
> exist or if I want to check which articles are missing from pl.wiki and 
> should perhpas be wrotten?
>
> Cheers,
>
> [[User:Wpedzich]]

There is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31508/ which will go live
on wikidata.org with the next deployment.


Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Quick clarification on infobox migration

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hi Roger!

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Roger Hyam  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I was thinking of creating a tool to help people write, edit and validate 
> taxoboxes on en.wikipedia.org but then wikidata was pointed out to me. It 
> looks like an exciting project.
>
> Reading the technical proposal, phase 2, not to be done in project:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Technical_proposal#Not_to_be_done_by_the_project_2
>
> I'm not clear whether existing data in infoboxes will be used to populate 
> wikidata as it doesn't appear to come into any of the categories of data 
> listed. Will this be automated or semi-automated task? Am I just not reading 
> it correctly?

The development team will not populate Wikidata with data for this. If
the community wants to do that is up to them. A decision hasn't been
made. Technically it is possible to write bots to fill Wikidata via an
API.

> *If* I were to a work on an editor tool would it be feasible to think in 
> terms of editing existing syntax for now and in version two adding a "migrate 
> to wikidata" button? Would all the exiting infoboxes move over to wikidata in 
> a 'big bang' approach?

Potentially but I'd need to see the specific case you'd like to write
a tool for. I don't think it'll be technically feasible to migrate
everything with the click of a button.
Infoboxes will move at the pace the editors migrate them
(automatically or by hand).

> My second (impossible) question: What time scale are we looking at for live 
> infoboxes actually being populated by wikidata data?

Next year. (Yeah I know - super useful ;-))


Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Pseudo-empty items

[Jérémie Roquet]

Hi Bináris,

2012/11/14 Bináris :
> have a look at
> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q49382&rcid=449383&setlang=hu
> This item has a German label with no link and nothing else.
> My question is not if it is useful or not (this is up to the community) but
> why do I see it completely empty when I set a language other than German?
> Why do I not see descriptions in every language, only in my chosen one?
> Why can I edit description only in my chosen language?
> Or do I do soemthing wrong?

See ¹ and ².

Best regards,

¹ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Fallback_languages
² https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-labelLister.js

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[Wikidata-l] Items where my language is missing

[Wojciech Pędzich]

Hi folks,

I am new to Wikidata, so forgive me if I make a question that is so obvious 
you'll raise your eyebrows. I did not find the info in the docs, however.

Is there a tool which lists the items wheere a given language would be missing? 
For instance, if I want to add PL.wiki references that actually exist or if I 
want to check which articles are missing from pl.wiki and should perhpas be 
wrotten?

Cheers,

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Pseudo-empty items

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey :)

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Bináris  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> have a look at
> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q49382&rcid=449383&setlang=hu
> This item has a German label with no link and nothing else.
> My question is not if it is useful or not (this is up to the community) but
> why do I see it completely empty when I set a language other than German?

That's because unfortunately we don't have fallbacks yet. When we have
that you'd see some other language at least if there is nothing in
your own. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36430 for
the status/discussion.

> Why do I not see descriptions in every language, only in my chosen one?

Again see above.

> Why can I edit description only in my chosen language?

Switch the language and you can edit the others. Not ideal but that's
how it is atm.

> Or do I do soemthing wrong?

Nope :)


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[Wikidata-l] Pseudo-empty items

[Bináris]

Hi folks,

have a look at
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q49382&rcid=449383&setlang=hu
This item has a German label with no link and nothing else.
My question is not if it is useful or not (this is up to the community) but
why do I see it completely empty when I set a language other than German?
Why do I not see descriptions in every language, only in my chosen one?
Why can I edit description only in my chosen language?
Or do I do soemthing wrong?

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[Wikidata-l] Quick clarification on infobox migration

[Roger Hyam]

Hi All,

I was thinking of creating a tool to help people write, edit and validate 
taxoboxes on en.wikipedia.org but then wikidata was pointed out to me. It looks 
like an exciting project.

Reading the technical proposal, phase 2, not to be done in project:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Technical_proposal#Not_to_be_done_by_the_project_2

I'm not clear whether existing data in infoboxes will be used to populate 
wikidata as it doesn't appear to come into any of the categories of data 
listed. Will this be automated or semi-automated task? Am I just not reading it 
correctly?

*If* I were to a work on an editor tool would it be feasible to think in terms 
of editing existing syntax for now and in version two adding a "migrate to 
wikidata" button? Would all the exiting infoboxes move over to wikidata in a 
'big bang' approach?

My second (impossible) question: What time scale are we looking at for live 
infoboxes actually being populated by wikidata data?

Many thanks for your thoughts,

Roger



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