Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Citiranje Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: We can't really just put the link to the non existent article into the Wikidata item because the article might be created and then cover a completely unrelated topic. We already have this problem with red links on Wikipedia but it would be even worse on Wikidata. Would it be acceptable if such links would somehow be singled out, for example with the nonexisting badge I suggested? Then, it would be possible to periodically check Articles that exist in Wikipedia but have nonexisting badge on Wikidata and see if they cover appropriate topics. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
I am also interested in solving this for the article placeholder feature where we show date from Wikidata when no local article exists. We can't really just put the link to the non existent article into the Wikidata item because the article might be created and then cover a completely unrelated topic. We already have this problem with red links on Wikipedia but it would be even worse on Wikidata. I think the way to go is to have the Wikidata identifier used in the link on the article. Question is how to do that nicely. I am happy to see the template experiment. Are people generally ok with the way it works? Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
implementationthoughts The advantage of a template is that it doesn't touch core and doesn't create new wiki syntax. Maybe this template could be a Lua module built into the Wikibase Client extension, so it wouldn't have to be lamely synchronized across hundreds of projects? /implementationthoughts -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-02-12 12:12 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: I am also interested in solving this for the article placeholder feature where we show date from Wikidata when no local article exists. We can't really just put the link to the non existent article into the Wikidata item because the article might be created and then cover a completely unrelated topic. We already have this problem with red links on Wikipedia but it would be even worse on Wikidata. I think the way to go is to have the Wikidata identifier used in the link on the article. Question is how to do that nicely. I am happy to see the template experiment. Are people generally ok with the way it works? Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
I'm thinking it should be a combination of syntax in the page, but also in the New Page create page. That page now directs you to the new Drafts userspace, but I think it should direct you also to Wikidata. That page says this now on enwiki: Before creating an article, please read Wikipedia:Your first article. You can also search for an existing article to which you can redirect this title. To experiment, please use the sandbox. To use a wizard to create an article, see the Article wizard. When creating an article, provide references to reliable published sources. An article without references, especially a biography of a living person, may be deleted. You can also start your new article at Special:Mypage/XX. There, you can develop the article with less risk of deletion, ask other editors to help work on it, and move it into article space when it is ready. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: The question is not so much where to point it, but how to put it into the wiki syntax of the page. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-02-12 13:05 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, The obvious is painful. When you need a placeholder... Why not use Reasonator? It is just a call to the Wikidata item that is associated with the page. Thanks, Gerard On 12 February 2015 at 11:18, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: implementationthoughts The advantage of a template is that it doesn't touch core and doesn't create new wiki syntax. Maybe this template could be a Lua module built into the Wikibase Client extension, so it wouldn't have to be lamely synchronized across hundreds of projects? /implementationthoughts -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-02-12 12:12 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de : I am also interested in solving this for the article placeholder feature where we show date from Wikidata when no local article exists. We can't really just put the link to the non existent article into the Wikidata item because the article might be created and then cover a completely unrelated topic. We already have this problem with red links on Wikipedia but it would be even worse on Wikidata. I think the way to go is to have the Wikidata identifier used in the link on the article. Question is how to do that nicely. I am happy to see the template experiment. Are people generally ok with the way it works? Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Lydia, Good question! To answer your question, I have no idea. There have been no deletion discussions, but use of the template is limited at best. Here are few more ways I used it: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eerebegraafplaats_Bloemendaal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Times:_Photography_in_the_20th_Century Jane On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: I am also interested in solving this for the article placeholder feature where we show date from Wikidata when no local article exists. We can't really just put the link to the non existent article into the Wikidata item because the article might be created and then cover a completely unrelated topic. We already have this problem with red links on Wikipedia but it would be even worse on Wikidata. I think the way to go is to have the Wikidata identifier used in the link on the article. Question is how to do that nicely. I am happy to see the template experiment. Are people generally ok with the way it works? Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
The question is not so much where to point it, but how to put it into the wiki syntax of the page. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-02-12 13:05 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, The obvious is painful. When you need a placeholder... Why not use Reasonator? It is just a call to the Wikidata item that is associated with the page. Thanks, Gerard On 12 February 2015 at 11:18, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: implementationthoughts The advantage of a template is that it doesn't touch core and doesn't create new wiki syntax. Maybe this template could be a Lua module built into the Wikibase Client extension, so it wouldn't have to be lamely synchronized across hundreds of projects? /implementationthoughts -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-02-12 12:12 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de : I am also interested in solving this for the article placeholder feature where we show date from Wikidata when no local article exists. We can't really just put the link to the non existent article into the Wikidata item because the article might be created and then cover a completely unrelated topic. We already have this problem with red links on Wikipedia but it would be even worse on Wikidata. I think the way to go is to have the Wikidata identifier used in the link on the article. Question is how to do that nicely. I am happy to see the template experiment. Are people generally ok with the way it works? Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Il 11/02/2015 22:08, Amir E. Aharoni ha scritto: 2015-02-11 22:14 GMT+02:00 Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org: Adding non-existing pages to Wikidata items? Using a syntax like [Q42[notexistingpagetitle]]? Is this a suggestion for possible syntax or something that actually works somewhere? It is only a humble attempt at designing a syntax that should be familiar with most wikitexters but shouldn't break the existing content corpus :-) But yeah, something like this - something that includes the title of a page that doesn't exist in this wiki, but may some to exist some day, and the Q number. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Il 12/02/2015 11:23, Amir E. Aharoni ha scritto: The other is to extend the link syntax similar to image syntax, for example with [[Article Name|Alternate Text|wd=Q1234]]. This should be minimally disruptive to the editors. Yes - this would be more or less perfect, but it would require changes in core MediaWiki. If nothing else works, then it's possible, but seems harder to get through in practice. Wouldn't it be feasible by means of a hook? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Amir, The most important thing to consider when you look at the burden to the community is the Bonnie Clyde problem where it gets to be the choice of a few editors (maybe just one?) on any given Wikipedia. I noticed that the English Wikipedia only has one article for both Q11629 the art of painting and Q3305213 the physical object, whereas both probably need about 5 articles each (container article and subarticles; so eg. 1) Q3305213 painting, 1.1)oil painting 1.2) miniature 1.3) watercolor, etc). The enwiki article is currently linked to the Wikidata item for the art of painting and the English Wikipedia has no article for the physical object. This strange situation is probably caused by the fact that both meanings are covered by the same word in English, which is of course not the case in other languages. When I created an article in the English Wikipedia for painting (object), it just got redirected to the other one, and I was accused of disruptive editing. Now this redirect is become one of the many hanging redirects in Wikidata that should be deleted. In the pre-Wikidata world, people tended to stuff articles full of every lemma that was not encyclopedia worthy in and of itself. In the English Wikipedia there is even a merge template for that. Today, in the post-Wikidata world we are concentrating on getting the most info possible into a mobile-sized screen, so we favor condensed chunks of twitter-style info, rather than pages of text. I see this in my watchlist from the number of changes to lead paragraphs. Everyone seems to just concentrate on the lead these days, because that is what Google is serving to searchers. In conclusion, though I share your dream, after considering this problem from many angles I think the best interim solution is to do nothing. A cultural revolution is taking place in Wikipedia, whereby people are slowly realizing that breadth (range of articles on any given subject) is more important than length (depth of any given article on its own subject). Let that revolution take place, one article at a time, at the pace granted by the policies of any given Wikipedia. Jane On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Yeah, looking into labels is certainly something that I considered, but that is by definition only a guess and not as bulletproof as Q numbers. We considered doing stuff like: * [[not-yet-written article about Douglas Adams|Douglas Adams]]!-- wd: Q42 -- * [[not-yet-written article about Douglas Adams#Q42|Douglas Adams]] ... and this would kinda work, but would be leave a lot of mess to the community editors to clean up. The template way, suggested by Gerard, is similar and seems slightly less messy to me. But only slightly. (If anybody cares, the relevant task in ContentTranslation is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88580 .) -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-02-12 7:51 GMT+02:00 Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl: Hi Amir, Amir E. Aharoni schreef op 11-2-2015 om 13:12: If I may dream for a moment, this should be something that can be used in all Wikipedias, and without copying this template everywhere, but built into the site's software :) Exactly, the template based approach doesn't scale at all. You have to somehow make it automatic. One thing I thought about is adding suggested sitelinks to Wikidata. The software would encounter a red link and would look in Wikidata if it can find an item with a suggested sitelink of the same title. Huge software overhaul so I don't see that happening. Another approach that is probably already possible right now: * Take an article with a red link * Look at the links in the article in other languages. * If you find a link that points to another article which has the same label as the red link in the same language, link to it I wonder how many good results that would give. Maarten ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Hi, TL;DR: How can a red link be annotated in a semantic way with a foreign article title or a Wikidata Q item number? Imagine: I'm writing a Wikipedia article in Russian. There's a red link in it. I don't have time to write the target article for that link now, but I'm sure that it should exist. In fact, that article does exist in the English Wikipedia. I want the link to be red (fr the usual wiki reasons), but until the Russian article is written, I want to give the software a hint about which topic it is supposed to be about. Telling it the English article name would be one way to do it. Giving it the Wikidata Q item number would be an even better way to do it. Unfortunately, MediaWiki does not currently have true syntax to do either. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Some Wikipedias may have templates that do something like this (e.g. Russian: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:En ). But there's nothing that is uniform to all projects. *Why* is it useful to give the software this hint in the first place? Most simplistically, it's useful to the reader - in case that reader knows English, she can at least read something. But there's something bigger. When the ContentTranslation extension translates links, it automatically adapts links that can be found. What to do about those that can't be auto-adapted? It frequently happens when Wikipedians translate articles that many links in the created articles turn out to be red. We'd love to get ContentTranslation to help the translators make those articles by writing relevant articles with as few clicks as possible, and that is only possible by annotating the red links with the topics to which they belong. So, any ideas? What do other Wikipedias for such annotation? Is it imaginable to add wiki syntax for such a thing? Can anybody think of a hack that reuses the current [[link]] syntax to add such annotation? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Hi Amir, We created a template in the English Wikipedia for this and I used it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koekkoek I also just stumbled across this, which is also acceptable here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wauters The first method keeps the enwiki link red, which is what you want, but the wrapper leads you to Wikidata or to Reasonator. The second method leads you to an article in the language that you may recognize by the prefix, but the color difference from blue is too subtle to notice. It would be nice if we had a gadget that made these orange, the way I have a gadget now that makes redirects look green. Jane On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, TL;DR: How can a red link be annotated in a semantic way with a foreign article title or a Wikidata Q item number? Imagine: I'm writing a Wikipedia article in Russian. There's a red link in it. I don't have time to write the target article for that link now, but I'm sure that it should exist. In fact, that article does exist in the English Wikipedia. I want the link to be red (fr the usual wiki reasons), but until the Russian article is written, I want to give the software a hint about which topic it is supposed to be about. Telling it the English article name would be one way to do it. Giving it the Wikidata Q item number would be an even better way to do it. Unfortunately, MediaWiki does not currently have true syntax to do either. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Some Wikipedias may have templates that do something like this (e.g. Russian: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:En ). But there's nothing that is uniform to all projects. *Why* is it useful to give the software this hint in the first place? Most simplistically, it's useful to the reader - in case that reader knows English, she can at least read something. But there's something bigger. When the ContentTranslation extension translates links, it automatically adapts links that can be found. What to do about those that can't be auto-adapted? It frequently happens when Wikipedians translate articles that many links in the created articles turn out to be red. We'd love to get ContentTranslation to help the translators make those articles by writing relevant articles with as few clicks as possible, and that is only possible by annotating the red links with the topics to which they belong. So, any ideas? What do other Wikipedias for such annotation? Is it imaginable to add wiki syntax for such a thing? Can anybody think of a hack that reuses the current [[link]] syntax to add such annotation? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
2015-02-11 22:14 GMT+02:00 Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org: Adding non-existing pages to Wikidata items? Using a syntax like [Q42[notexistingpagetitle]]? Is this a suggestion for possible syntax or something that actually works somewhere? But yeah, something like this - something that includes the title of a page that doesn't exist in this wiki, but may some to exist some day, and the Q number. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Yes, Gerard and Jane - this looks like what I'm talking about. If I may dream for a moment, this should be something that can be used in all Wikipedias, and without copying this template everywhere, but built into the site's software :) -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-02-11 22:47 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Have a look at this article ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Skolnik_Award Thanks to Magnus for a blog post I am still to write. Thanks, GerardM On 11 February 2015 at 20:26, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, TL;DR: How can a red link be annotated in a semantic way with a foreign article title or a Wikidata Q item number? Imagine: I'm writing a Wikipedia article in Russian. There's a red link in it. I don't have time to write the target article for that link now, but I'm sure that it should exist. In fact, that article does exist in the English Wikipedia. I want the link to be red (fr the usual wiki reasons), but until the Russian article is written, I want to give the software a hint about which topic it is supposed to be about. Telling it the English article name would be one way to do it. Giving it the Wikidata Q item number would be an even better way to do it. Unfortunately, MediaWiki does not currently have true syntax to do either. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Some Wikipedias may have templates that do something like this (e.g. Russian: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:En ). But there's nothing that is uniform to all projects. *Why* is it useful to give the software this hint in the first place? Most simplistically, it's useful to the reader - in case that reader knows English, she can at least read something. But there's something bigger. When the ContentTranslation extension translates links, it automatically adapts links that can be found. What to do about those that can't be auto-adapted? It frequently happens when Wikipedians translate articles that many links in the created articles turn out to be red. We'd love to get ContentTranslation to help the translators make those articles by writing relevant articles with as few clicks as possible, and that is only possible by annotating the red links with the topics to which they belong. So, any ideas? What do other Wikipedias for such annotation? Is it imaginable to add wiki syntax for such a thing? Can anybody think of a hack that reuses the current [[link]] syntax to add such annotation? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Il 11/02/2015 20:26, Amir E. Aharoni ha scritto: Hi, TL;DR: How can a red link be annotated in a semantic way with a foreign article title or a Wikidata Q item number? Imagine: I'm writing a Wikipedia article in Russian. There's a red link in it. I don't have time to write the target article for that link now, but I'm sure that it should exist. In fact, that article does exist in the English Wikipedia. I want the link to be red (fr the usual wiki reasons), but until the Russian article is written, I want to give the software a hint about which topic it is supposed to be about. Telling it the English article name would be one way to do it. Giving it the Wikidata Q item number would be an even better way to do it. Unfortunately, MediaWiki does not currently have true syntax to do either. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Some Wikipedias may have templates that do something like this (e.g. Russian: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:En ). But there's nothing that is uniform to all projects. *Why* is it useful to give the software this hint in the first place? Most simplistically, it's useful to the reader - in case that reader knows English, she can at least read something. But there's something bigger. When the ContentTranslation extension translates links, it automatically adapts links that can be found. What to do about those that can't be auto-adapted? It frequently happens when Wikipedians translate articles that many links in the created articles turn out to be red. We'd love to get ContentTranslation to help the translators make those articles by writing relevant articles with as few clicks as possible, and that is only possible by annotating the red links with the topics to which they belong. So, any ideas? What do other Wikipedias for such annotation? Is it imaginable to add wiki syntax for such a thing? Can anybody think of a hack that reuses the current [[link]] syntax to add such annotation? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore Adding non-existing pages to Wikidata items? Using a syntax like [Q42[notexistingpagetitle]]? ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Yeah, looking into labels is certainly something that I considered, but that is by definition only a guess and not as bulletproof as Q numbers. We considered doing stuff like: * [[not-yet-written article about Douglas Adams|Douglas Adams]]!-- wd: Q42 -- * [[not-yet-written article about Douglas Adams#Q42|Douglas Adams]] ... and this would kinda work, but would be leave a lot of mess to the community editors to clean up. The template way, suggested by Gerard, is similar and seems slightly less messy to me. But only slightly. (If anybody cares, the relevant task in ContentTranslation is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88580 .) -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-02-12 7:51 GMT+02:00 Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl: Hi Amir, Amir E. Aharoni schreef op 11-2-2015 om 13:12: If I may dream for a moment, this should be something that can be used in all Wikipedias, and without copying this template everywhere, but built into the site's software :) Exactly, the template based approach doesn't scale at all. You have to somehow make it automatic. One thing I thought about is adding suggested sitelinks to Wikidata. The software would encounter a red link and would look in Wikidata if it can find an item with a suggested sitelink of the same title. Huge software overhaul so I don't see that happening. Another approach that is probably already possible right now: * Take an article with a red link * Look at the links in the article in other languages. * If you find a link that points to another article which has the same label as the red link in the same language, link to it I wonder how many good results that would give. Maarten ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] annotating red links
Hi Amir, Amir E. Aharoni schreef op 11-2-2015 om 13:12: If I may dream for a moment, this should be something that can be used in all Wikipedias, and without copying this template everywhere, but built into the site's software :) Exactly, the template based approach doesn't scale at all. You have to somehow make it automatic. One thing I thought about is adding suggested sitelinks to Wikidata. The software would encounter a red link and would look in Wikidata if it can find an item with a suggested sitelink of the same title. Huge software overhaul so I don't see that happening. Another approach that is probably already possible right now: * Take an article with a red link * Look at the links in the article in other languages. * If you find a link that points to another article which has the same label as the red link in the same language, link to it I wonder how many good results that would give. Maarten ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
