Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links
What about cases where there is no English Link or Label? I've been adding English labels to tons of items, but not links as there are none. I'm a bit tied up right now, else I'd create stub articles in English. On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for several reasons, the most prevalent being that I want to see 1) How many links to that page are there in that language? 2) How many items (and which items are these) that are in the articles category in that language? I tend to only do this for the larger Wikipedia projects, where I do this regularly as a trick to track down articles in foreign languages that are good candidates to translate into English (the fathers/sons/siblings of painters). Jane 2013/1/8 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote: I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally) Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this. Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want to completely hide those). On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote: It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top, followed by the rest in alphabetical order.A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance. Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but seems decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as such. Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis. Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a problem. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Sign this petition to introduce Volvo buses in Coimbatore city: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: What about cases where there is no English Link or Label? I've been adding English labels to tons of items, but not links as there are none. I'm a bit tied up right now, else I'd create stub articles in English. It's ok to have items with no link to an article on English Wikipedia. It's no problem. In this particular case it'll just not be displayed on the Hungarian Wikipedia. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links
Hello, On 01/10/13 13:49, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: What about cases where there is no English Link or Label? I've been adding English labels to tons of items, but not links as there are none. I'm a bit tied up right now, else I'd create stub articles in English. It's ok to have items with no link to an article on English Wikipedia. It's no problem. In this particular case it'll just not be displayed on the Hungarian Wikipedia. There should of course be a default setting for all those not having an account. And the default setting should not be sort by size(article) because this depends on the article and will be different for each article. Users might be confused by this. sort by articlecount (WP_Project) is also not what is very useful because e.g. German is not that important and it is confusing. English, yes, is an exception, because most Wikipedia-consumers know that the should look on enwiki if they cannot find this article in their language. However, I would offer an additional separate list with the may preferred languages. On quwiki (Quetchua, a native American language in South America) this might be Español and then English as default. The user settings could be totally different. Many people would prefer those languages they know. But I'd like to have to different link list. One coming from the settings an one coming from the alphabetic order es it is currently on enwikipedia. So, in most cases enwiki will be there twice, which would decrease confusion. Marco ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links
I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for several reasons, the most prevalent being that I want to see 1) How many links to that page are there in that language? 2) How many items (and which items are these) that are in the articles category in that language? I tend to only do this for the larger Wikipedia projects, where I do this regularly as a trick to track down articles in foreign languages that are good candidates to translate into English (the fathers/sons/siblings of painters). Jane 2013/1/8 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote: I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally) Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this. Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want to completely hide those). On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote: It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top, followed by the rest in alphabetical order.A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance. Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but seems decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as such. Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis. Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a problem. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links
Could this order be automatically determined for each Wikipedia? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_sorting_order ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links
I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally) On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote: Could this order be automatically determined for each Wikipedia? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_sorting_order ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links
It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top, followed by the rest in alphabetical order.A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote: Good evening/morning/etc. (choose as your continent requires) In Hungarian Wikipedia there is a rule: always the English interwiki is the first, and the others alphabetically follow it. We had and sometimes still have long, long debates, talks, discussions and quarrels about that, and this is the result. (I feel responsible for having forgotten to list this topic on hu:WP:LAME.) So, will Wikibase client know and follow this rule? -- Bináris ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links
On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote: I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally) Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this. Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want to completely hide those). On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote: It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top, followed by the rest in alphabetical order.A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance. Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but seems decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as such. Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis. Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a problem. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
