Re: [Wikidata-l] Database rights
(sorry, don't have the proper subject line to hand) Are proper lawyers being consulted about this (database rights)? The quantity of unofficial speculation on this list is in good faith but still somewhat concerning... Harry -- Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250) ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Database rights
On Dec 12, 2012 8:28 AM, Harry Burt jarry1...@gmail.com wrote: (sorry, don't have the proper subject line to hand) Are proper lawyers being consulted about this (database rights)? The quantity of unofficial speculation on this list is in good faith but still somewhat concerning... to clarify: this seems to be about intellectual property. (not e.g. MySQL grants) -Jeremy ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Database rights
The WMF has lawyers. Why not ask Geoff for an official statement? Sven On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Harry Burt jarry1...@gmail.com wrote: (sorry, don't have the proper subject line to hand) Are proper lawyers being consulted about this (database rights)? The quantity of unofficial speculation on this list is in good faith but still somewhat concerning... Harry -- Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250) ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Database rights
We have talked informally to some lawyers, some of them specialists in the relevant fields. Basically the understanding I was previously describing was confirmed, but more importantly there has been only a small number of cases testing out the implementation of the European database directive (and the ECJs cases were curtailing the scope of the sui generis protection, see British Horseracing Board v William Hill, Fixtures v Oy Vekkaus, and others). The US situation is much simpler, as there are no such database rights, and also the Feist v Rural case, which constraints rights on such data widely. But besides that, yes, we also have formally requested an assessment on the discussed topics (and a bit beyond) from lawyers, but this will take a while until we have the results. Once we have them we will share them. Cheers, Denny 2012/12/12 Sven svenmangu...@gmail.com The WMF has lawyers. Why not ask Geoff for an official statement? Sven On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Harry Burt jarry1...@gmail.com wrote: (sorry, don't have the proper subject line to hand) Are proper lawyers being consulted about this (database rights)? The quantity of unofficial speculation on this list is in good faith but still somewhat concerning... Harry -- Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250) ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Database rights
On 12/12/12 15:18, Denny Vrandečić wrote: But besides that, yes, we also have formally requested an assessment on the discussed topics (and a bit beyond) from lawyers, but this will take a while until we have the results. Once we have them we will share them. Yes please, and thank you so far. Cheers, Marco ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Database rights
On 12/12/12 15:18, Denny Vrandečić wrote: We have talked informally to some lawyers, some of them specialists in the relevant fields. Basically the understanding I was previously describing was confirmed, but more importantly there has been only a small number of cases testing out the implementation of the European database directive (and the ECJs cases were curtailing the scope of the sui generis protection, see British Horseracing Board v William Hill, Fixtures v Oy Vekkaus, and others). [...] But besides that, yes, we also have formally requested an assessment on the discussed topics (and a bit beyond) from lawyers, but this will take a while until we have the results. Once we have them we will share them. That's very good to hear. Knowing that professionals have been consulted does help set my mind at rest. I look forward to reading their assessment in due course. Avenue ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
