Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Pot meet kettle. http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Talk%3AHomeopathy%2FDraftdiff=100448194oldid=100448185 A lot of people have the sort of double standard I discussed in my WP:SAUCE essay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sauce_for_the_goose_is_(not)_sa uce_for_the_gander You guys are right, and you're wrong. Sanger seems to be factually correct in his assertion of co-foundership given that Jimbo himself put matters that way until inexplicably changing his mind later. However, when he insists on a right to state his point here, he starts sounding like various crackpots who insist on their right to rant everywhere they want to, even on private property. On the other hand, it isn't very healthy for this project to take an attitude of if you can't argue logically against that guy's point, just call him a troll and ban him! A wide degree of free speech in meta- discussion is in keeping with the aims of the project, which is the point I made (or dead horse I kept beating...) during the BADSITES wars. -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 8:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Larry isn't on moderation. However, when he's going headlong into green ink territory, I'm most certainly going to say so. I seriously doubt that you'd be the only one. --Oskar ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
2009/4/12 Delirium delir...@hackish.org: Larry Sanger wrote: I can recognize when I am no longer welcome. I didn't really believe I ever was welcome to begin with, but I was willing to try. I've always been optimistic. For what it's worth, I don't think you're actually nearly as unwelcome here as you seem to think. Seconded. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Phil Nash pn007a2...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: It is not, and you have no right to anything other than as an ordinary user of Wikipedia. [[WP:SOAPBOX]] and [[WP:POINT]] spring to mind. Your personal disagreements have no place either in Wikipedia or on this list, so I strongly advise you to take them elsewhere. As an Admin, I'd have no qualms about blocking you indefinitely if this does not immediately stop. Whereas you might also have sockpuppets and meatpuppets, their blocking would follow as sure as night follows day. But the bottom line is that this disruption is unseemly and intolerable. Some of us have an encyclopedia to build, and personal disputes are inimical to that purpose. Please stop wasting our time. Who are you on wiki? -Mike R ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
In a message dated 4/12/2009 9:31:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
brian.min...@colorado.edu writes:
This is exactly what matters. From what I can tell Sanger wrote much of
Wikipedia's initialy policy - policy that lives on today in various edited
forms. Not only was he key in coming up with the more formal guidelines
for
Nupedia, he personally wrote many of the informal guidelines that came to
be
used on Wikipedia. This is well documented on archive.org and Wikipedia
itself.
{{fact}}
As far as on Wikipedia itself and policy, we see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:No_original_research;
diff=2014983oldid=2014449
The first two edits to WP:NOR for example, which is one of the core
policies.
Maybe you could post something that shows you evidence on this?
Will Johnson
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Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
Brian wrote: I say this because I get the feeling that Wales and Sanger both believe there is a lot at stake here and at the same time I feel that they both take too much credit for what has happened. What they did is akin to writing an academic paper that first introduces an idea. They cannot claim authorship or credit for all of the publications that cite their initial publication - just the initial idea. It seems clear that this initial idea was authored and implemented by Sanger Wales (2001?). It would be a grave injustice to just cite Wales (2001) if the idea was only part, or not even, his. Since you frame your analogy in terms of scientific ideas, I think it would be much more accurate to put it in terms of Sanger Wales putting forth a later discredited theory, which however was tangential and part of the broader scientific thread of inquiry that eventually brought forth a tenable theory. To put it in more concrete terms, visualize Sanger Wales (2001) as being Lamarckianism. Something close, but not quite on point. Wikipedia, as it stands now, would be Darwinism, very well established as the most robust theory out there, but with important wrinkles that still need to be ironed out. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
