Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
2009/6/24 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: I was trying to follow the nofollow discussion (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nofollow#Current_use_on_Wikimedia_projects). I see it hinges on external links, and my question about it would be concerning when an interwiki link to a sister project is deemed external. For context, I use many links to Wikisource pages I have created as references, and was wondering whether the [[:s: ***]] construction is read as an external link. My understanding is that anything which goes to a URL - a one-bracket link - gets treated as an external link and is nofollowed, regardless of where it goes; anything created as a wikimarkup link, *including* interwiki links, is treated as internal and escapes. (This has caused much elaborate conspiracy theory in the past revolving around nofollow and favoured Wikia links, etc) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to vandalism. Good to know! On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under Interaction, so it's pretty prominently placed. I use monobook--I was thinking about that. I've tried out other skins, that should've occured to me. A lot of newer users don't even know other skins exist. Emily On Jun 23, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: An idea just struck me. Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those who are new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more easily vandalized this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly reverted. Emily The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under Interaction, so it's pretty prominently placed. Lots of interesting things to do listed there, many that look like a lot of fun. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
A link to the community portal could be included in more of Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. That's a good idea if anybody actually reads the welcome message. I'm not saying this sarcastically--I didn't read mine. Emily Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those who are new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more easily vandalized this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly reverted. A link to the community portal could be included in more of Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: A link to the community portal could be included in more of Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. That's a good idea if anybody actually reads the welcome message. I'm not saying this sarcastically--I didn't read mine. It might be an idea to survey new(er) users to find out this sort of thing. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
It might be an idea to survey new(er) users to find out this sort of thing. Maybe create some sort of software that tells us how many links are clicked? Emily On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Carcharoth wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: A link to the community portal could be included in more of Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. That's a good idea if anybody actually reads the welcome message. I'm not saying this sarcastically--I didn't read mine. It might be an idea to survey new(er) users to find out this sort of thing. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to vandalism. Good to know! On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under Interaction, so it's pretty prominently placed. I use monobook--I was thinking about that. I've tried out other skins, that should've occured to me. A lot of newer users don't even know other skins exist. Emily We may have a skin or two that could be improved in this regard. If you find a problem you will need to communicate with the developers. They have a mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Fred On Jun 23, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: An idea just struck me. Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those who are new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more easily vandalized this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly reverted. Emily The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under Interaction, so it's pretty prominently placed. Lots of interesting things to do listed there, many that look like a lot of fun. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
2009/6/24 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk: My understanding is that anything which goes to a URL - a one-bracket link - gets treated as an external link and is nofollowed, regardless of where it goes; anything created as a wikimarkup link, *including* interwiki links, is treated as internal and escapes. This is correct. (This has caused much elaborate conspiracy theory in the past revolving around nofollow and favoured Wikia links, etc) As is this. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
Wired also used one of my featured picture restorations without credit. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:15 PM, William King williamcarlk...@gmail.comwrote: http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/editor-of-wired-apologizes-for-copying-from-wikipedia-in-new-book/ Chris Anderson, the author, summarized the situation in two words: Mea culpa. Your thoughts? William King (Willking1979) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://durova.blogspot.com/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
2009/6/24 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com: Wired also used one of my featured picture restorations without credit. Credit for the original, or credit for the restoration? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
Are links created by templates nofollowed or followed?
That is, someone creates a template like {{Brittanica|Edward VI}}
or whatever.
What's the follow treatment ?
Will
-Original Message-
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To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:03 am
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2009/6/24 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk:
My understanding is that anything which goes to a URL - a one-bracket
link - gets treated as an external link and is nofollowed, regardless
of where it goes; anything created as a wikimarkup link, *including*
interwiki links, is treated as internal and escapes.
This is correct.
(This has caused much elaborate conspiracy theory in the past
revolving around nofollow and favoured Wikia links, etc)
As is this.
- d.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
William King wrote: http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/editor-of-wired-apologizes-for-copying-from-wikipedia-in-new-book/ Chris Anderson, the author, summarized the situation in two words: Mea culpa. Somewhat cynical: they thought they could just cite, looked at the GFDL and thought damn, doesn't work that way, and then just went ahead. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
Slight correction. It was Time Magazine that ran my Brandeis restoration uncredited. The one Wired ran uncredited was the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/dayintech_0418 Wired gives sole credit to the original source: *Image: H.D. Chadwick/National Archives and Records Administration* * * Here's my restoration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3b.jpg The unrestored version: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3.jpg Any suggestions what to do about this? -Lise On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/24 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com: Wired also used one of my featured picture restorations without credit. Credit for the original, or credit for the restoration? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://durova.blogspot.com/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 14:59, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Are links created by templates nofollowed or followed?
That is, someone creates a template like {{Brittanica|Edward VI}}
or whatever.
What's the follow treatment ?
The same as anything else: if the template creates a one-bracket link,
it gets nofollow; if it creates a two-bracket link, it doesn't.
--
Mark
[[User:Carnildo]]
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Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
Well, taking a first stab at this. Here's my letter to Wired: Per the recent New York Times admission that one of your editors plagiarized content from Wikipedia uncredited, I respectfully request credit for media work of mine that Wired has reproduced without credit. http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/editor-of-wired-apologizes-for-copying-from-wikipedia-in-new-book/ This reproduces a photograph in the digitally restored version I generated through painstaking restoration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3b.jpg My restoration of this image was selected as a featured picture, which designates Wikipedia's best content. It ran on Wikipedia's main page on 16 March 2008: one month before your uncredited reproduction of my volunteer labor. I seek no compensation other than credit. Please post credit as follows: Restoration by Lise Broer (Durova). Thank you very much, Lise Broer San Diego, California. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Slight correction. It was Time Magazine that ran my Brandeis restoration uncredited. The one Wired ran uncredited was the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/dayintech_0418 Wired gives sole credit to the original source: *Image: H.D. Chadwick/National Archives and Records Administration* * * Here's my restoration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3b.jpg The unrestored version: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3.jpg Any suggestions what to do about this? -Lise On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/24 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com: Wired also used one of my featured picture restorations without credit. Credit for the original, or credit for the restoration? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://durova.blogspot.com/ -- http://durova.blogspot.com/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
As a brief aside, when you sign up at wired, they send you a verification email. In that verification email... they paste your password. Bizarre. You'd think something like Wired would be a bit more security conscious than to do that. -Original Message- From: Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2009 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book Well, taking a first stab at this. Here's my letter to Wired: Per the recent New York Times admission that one of your editors plagiarized content from Wikipedia uncredited, I respectfully request credit for media work of mine that Wired has reproduced without credit. http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/editor-of-wired-apologizes-for-copying-from-wikipedia-in-new-book/ This reproduces a photograph in the digitally restored version I generated through painstaking restoration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3b.jpg My restoration of this image was selected as a featured picture, which designates Wikipedia's best content. It ran on Wikipedia's main page on 16 March 2008: one month before your uncredited reproduction of my volunteer labor. I seek no compensation other than credit. Please post credit as follows: Restoration by Lise Broer (Durova). Thank you very much, Lise Broer San Diego, California. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Slight correction. It was Time Magazine that ran my Brandeis restoration uncredited. The one Wired ran uncredited was the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/dayintech_0418 Wired gives sole credit to the original source: *Image: H.D. Chadwick/National Archives and Records Administration* * * Here's my restoration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3b.jpg The unrestored version: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3.jpg Any suggestions what to do about this? -Lise On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/24 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com: Wired also used one of my featured picture restorations without credit. Credit for the original, or credit for the restoration? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://durova.blogspot.com/ -- http://durova.blogspot.com/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
2009/6/24 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com: Well, taking a first stab at this. Here's my letter to Wired: Per the recent New York Times admission that one of your editors plagiarized content from Wikipedia uncredited, I respectfully request credit for media work of mine that Wired has reproduced without credit. Restoration is painstaking work on behalf of the cultural commons and well worth encouraging and crediting. It's a different question whether it can use the same big stick of copyright that CC or GFDL can. Possibly not in the US, per Bridgeman vs Corel. (Though any actual statement on the subject would have to be in court.) I would expect that asking nicely and encouraging credit of restorers is the best that can be done at this stage, and that it strikes me as worth doing. I'm not entirely sure that I'd agree that not crediting a restorer (when crediting the original) would count as plagiarism. That's a different kettle of fish, I think. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Mark Wagner carni...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 14:59, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Are links created by templates nofollowed or followed?
That is, someone creates a template like {{Brittanica|Edward VI}}
or whatever.
What's the follow treatment ?
The same as anything else: if the template creates a one-bracket link,
it gets nofollow; if it creates a two-bracket link, it doesn't.
Yep. When trying to wrap my head around some of the more obscure template
formatting issues, I've often found it helps to remember that, come parsing
time, all templates are simply expanded into plain old wikitext on the page
to be displayed.
-Luna
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Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Durova wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3b.jpg This file says its in the public domain. [[ Permission (Reusing this image) Public domain ]] [[ This work is in the public domain in the United States because it is a work of the United States Federal Government under the terms of Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 105 of the US Code. See Copyright. ... ]] ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Charles Matthews wrote: Somewhat cynical: they thought they could just cite, looked at the GFDL and thought damn, doesn't work that way, and then just went ahead. Particularly ironic given the title and perhaps subject of the book. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book
David Gerard wrote: 2009/6/24 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com: Well, taking a first stab at this. Here's my letter to Wired: Per the recent New York Times admission that one of your editors plagiarized content from Wikipedia uncredited, I respectfully request credit for media work of mine that Wired has reproduced without credit. Restoration is painstaking work on behalf of the cultural commons and well worth encouraging and crediting. It's a different question whether it can use the same big stick of copyright that CC or GFDL can. Possibly not in the US, per Bridgeman vs Corel. (Though any actual statement on the subject would have to be in court.) I would expect that asking nicely and encouraging credit of restorers is the best that can be done at this stage, and that it strikes me as worth doing. I'm not entirely sure that I'd agree that not crediting a restorer (when crediting the original) would count as plagiarism. That's a different kettle of fish, I think. I agree. But on the moral rights angle, it does breach the inalienable right of paternity to a work. Paternity is there even for modifications. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
