Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Lesson Plan
Fred Bauder wrote: http://weblogg-ed.com/2005/wikipedia-lesson-plan/ Indeed, must have worked very well, since as of 2009 [[horse]] has 211 references, an advance on 0 when that was written. I encountered a group of college students editing a somewhat neglected article I had started, encouraged by a professor who had set groups the task of improving historical pages. The article was better than before, but there were some basic issues with what they did that required a little more than the addition of house style by me. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Lesson Plan
Fred Bauder wrote: http://weblogg-ed.com/2005/wikipedia-lesson-plan/ Indeed, must have worked very well, since as of 2009 [[horse]] has 211 references, an advance on 0 when that was written. I encountered a group of college students editing a somewhat neglected article I had started, encouraged by a professor who had set groups the task of improving historical pages. The article was better than before, but there were some basic issues with what they did that required a little more than the addition of house style by me. Charles No surprise there; you're an experienced Wikipedia editor, and with lots of additional material to work with, can do much better than a bunch of newbies, however scholarly. Fred Bauder ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Oleg Alexandrov oleg.alexand...@gmail.com wrote: I find the current WIKIPEDIA FOREVER banner to be creepy. I don't have good words to express it, but it does not feel the right way of soliciting donations. I agree, it seemed rather odd to me. The wrong tone. The ads are rather horrendous. It didn't even register with me that it might be a donation solicitation until I clicked on the banner to figure out what the heck it was. - causa sui ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Lesson Plan
As for the article on Horse, I hope this wasn't the real example used in class, because by the time the letter was written, it still had no references. The current state of the article is due to the subsequent improvements by a number of experienced Wikipedians. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Fred Bauder wrote: http://weblogg-ed.com/2005/wikipedia-lesson-plan/ Indeed, must have worked very well, since as of 2009 [[horse]] has 211 references, an advance on 0 when that was written. I encountered a group of college students editing a somewhat neglected article I had started, encouraged by a professor who had set groups the task of improving historical pages. The article was better than before, but there were some basic issues with what they did that required a little more than the addition of house style by me. Charles No surprise there; you're an experienced Wikipedia editor, and with lots of additional material to work with, can do much better than a bunch of newbies, however scholarly. Fred Bauder ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
Maybe the Foundation is trying to teach us a lesson. Maybe they want us to stop complaining about ads, so they intentionally run a bad one. In the next few years, we'll have this to look back on and say, it could always be worse. IT'S A CONSPIRACY! :D -X! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
geni wrote: Is there an actual place to discuss the wording of such banners? It's ended up a bit spread out but: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2009/Launch_Feedback http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2009/Alternative_banners That's quite some feedback. Has there been any data published? I'd be interested in click-through rates and donation rates, especially as compared with the first days of previous campaigns. Data on Twitter and/or blog reaction would be interesting, too. I'm personally not a big fan of the ads either, but if they were substantially more effective, then I'd have to think about whether this is one of those many occasions where my personal tastes diverge from what makes a good ad campaign. William ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
Soxred93 wrote: Maybe the Foundation is trying to teach us a lesson. Maybe they want us to stop complaining about ads, so they intentionally run a bad one. In the next few years, we'll have this to look back on and say, it could always be worse. It is pretty much traditional for the fundraiser to cause controversy, in fact. I know how Oleg feels. These days I ignore the ads, since I don't see why I should give money well as time: and they are obviously aimed at Wikipedia's readers, who outnumber the people seriously involved with the site by a factor of 10,000 or more by now. I don't see the banner any more: I don't remember dismissing it. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
These days I ignore the ads, since I don't see why I should give money well as time: and they are obviously aimed at Wikipedia's readers, who outnumber the people seriously involved with the site by a factor of 10,000 or more by now. I share the same feeling. As an editor, I think I contribute to Wikipedia sufficiently so as not to feel bad for not donating. The thing is that I would love to donate, but the endless heckling from deletionists have left a bad enough aftertaste that I won't donate anything more than my edits. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
2009/11/12 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Soxred93 wrote: Maybe the Foundation is trying to teach us a lesson. Maybe they want us to stop complaining about ads, so they intentionally run a bad one. In the next few years, we'll have this to look back on and say, it could always be worse. It is pretty much traditional for the fundraiser to cause controversy, in fact. I know how Oleg feels. These days I ignore the ads, since I don't see why I should give money well as time: and they are obviously aimed at Wikipedia's readers, who outnumber the people seriously involved with the site by a factor of 10,000 or more by now. I don't see the banner any more: I don't remember dismissing it. The banner mechanism was actually broken in IE6, so it was switched off for a day or two while that gets fixed. I understand the banners have been redone in Initial Capitals, not ALL CAPITALS :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Oleg Alexandrov oleg.alexand...@gmail.comwrote: I have been a Wikipedian for five years. I am an administrator, I have written tens of articles, created hundreds of pictures, and made tens of thousands of edits. I love Wikipedia and all that it represents. I find the current WIKIPEDIA FOREVER banner to be creepy. I don't have good words to express it, but it does not feel the right way of soliciting donations. I would call upon the Wikipedians responsible for the banner to give it a deep thought about what message they want to convey to the millions of visitors to the site. Thank you. I believe the banner will be judged, not based on the almost universally bad impressions of it that I have seen from Wikipedians, but based on how much money it makes. I don't think it's surprising that the banner rubs many Wikipedians the wrong way. It was created by a PR agency with the express purpose of raking in as much cash as possible. It's supposed to hit all the right chords of the hundreds of millions of visitors that will see it, of whom we long time Wikipedians are a miniscule fraction. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 02:38, Oleg Alexandrov oleg.alexand...@gmail.com wrote: I find the current WIKIPEDIA FOREVER banner to be creepy. I don't have good words to express it, but it does not feel the right way of soliciting donations. I know exactly what I dislike about it: it feels like the sort of propaganda that totalitarian states produce. Throw in a picture of Jimbo giving the Roman salute and you're done. -- Mark ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
