Re: [WikiEN-l] Google bows to censorship

2010-01-19 Thread Charles Matthews
James Alexander wrote:
 I think the biggest thing was that Google thought that if we were
 working with China and going along with their filtering they should be
 leaving us alone.
So far, so standard for Western corporations in Asia. Oh, you mean we 
have to understand the culture as well as the market? The point being 
that the implied division makes more sense to one side than to the other.

Well, fortunately, WP appears to be able to get away with its 
non-business model.

Charles


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Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote:
 On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote:
 If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks
 of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein
 didn't have any children. I wonder where they got that from.

 Wikipedia's article on Heinlein nowhere says he didn't have any children.
 It's generally accepted that he and Virginia didn't have any children, but
 Virginia was his third wife, and he was married to his second for 15 years.

True, but the New York Times obituary says he was survived only by his
third wife. If he had children by either 1 or 2, wouldn't they have
mentioned it? And try googling around a bit; you'll find nothing, and
even the occasional hit specifically claiming there were no children
(http://www.nitrosyncretic.com/rah/rahfaq.html#0106)

-- 
gwern

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[WikiEN-l] Strategic Planning Office hours

2010-01-19 Thread Philippe Beaudette


Hi everyone,

The next strategic planning office hours are:

Wednesday from 04:00-05:00 UTC, which is:
Tuesday, 8-9pm PST
Tuesday, 11pm-12am EST

There has been a lot of tremendous work on the strategy wiki the past
few months, and Task Forces are finishing up their work.
Office hours will be a great opportunity to discuss the work that's
happened as well as the work to come.

As always, you can access the chat by going to
https://webchat.freenode.net and filling in a username and the channel
name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a
security warning. It's fine. More details at:

http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours

Thanks! Hope to see many of you there.

Philippe Beaudette  
Facilitator, Strategy Project
Wikimedia Foundation

phili...@wikimedia.org

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Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Gwern Branwen wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote:
   
 On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote:
 
 If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks
 of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein
 didn't have any children. I wonder where they got that from.
   
 Wikipedia's article on Heinlein nowhere says he didn't have any children.
 It's generally accepted that he and Virginia didn't have any children, but
 Virginia was his third wife, and he was married to his second for 15 years.
 

 True, but the New York Times obituary says he was survived only by his
 third wife. If he had children by either 1 or 2, wouldn't they have
 mentioned it? And try googling around a bit; you'll find nothing, and
 even the occasional hit specifically claiming there were no children
 (http://www.nitrosyncretic.com/rah/rahfaq.html#0106)

   
As someone who has researched this particular topic pretty
thoroughly (even to the point of discovering Heinlein's involvement
in EPIC well before it was published in reliable sources)...

...I would posit you have to allow that wife number 1. is still a
complete mystery.

Literally.


Yours,

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen


P. S. Never mind William Proxmire, a shot of T.B. vaccine on a navy ship,
Heinlein could have been a congress-critter if just Konrad Henlein
hadn't been making headlines in the Sudetenlands as a tiny fuhrer
the particular election year Robert A. Heinlein decided to stand up
for election.


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Re: [WikiEN-l] The Curious Incident of the Fans in the Night

2010-01-19 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ken Arromdee wrote:
 On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Gerard wrote:

 If they want to filibuster the reliability of this source, it speaks
 of some child being Robert Heinlein's great-grandson ... Heinlein
 didn't have any children. I wonder where they got that from.


 Wikipedia's article on Heinlein nowhere says he didn't have any children.
 It's generally accepted that he and Virginia didn't have any children, but
 Virginia was his third wife, and he was married to his second for 15 years.



 And serious historians still don't know even the name of his
 first wife, much less their connubial history.


 Yours,

 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen

Our article seems to know her name - sourced to the LA Times even.

-- 
gwern

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