Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
10 days is a bit short for preparation, as most people didn't get involved until a launch date was fixed. It would have been nice if we had had a bit more time, but we should broadly be ready. It's also not impossible that we request some configuration changes before or during the trial. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:31 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: One thing needed - can someone reply to this thread with a list of all Flagged Revs related pages (whether RFCs, proposals, or major threads) so we can see what's out there? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchfulltext=Searchns0=1ns1=1ns2=1ns3=1ns4=1ns5=1ns6=1ns7=1ns8=1ns9=1ns10=1ns11=1ns12=1ns13=1ns14=1ns15=1ns100=1ns101=1ns108=1ns109=1redirs=0search=WP%3AFlagged Will get most of the pages (in the WP ns at least). -Peachey ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
Just for the sake of understanding better for next time, would people have preferred that we launched later? We gave a date as soon as we were reasonably confident that we could hit a date for the minimum feature set, based on the theory that people wanted this ASAP. But naturally, we could have announced a later date. If in the future the community would like X weeks of cushion to prepare for a feature change, I think that's a very reasonable thing to ask for. The time wouldn't be wasted; there's plenty of good stuff left to do. William On 06/12/2010 06:59 AM, Cenarium sysop wrote: 10 days is a bit short for preparation, as most people didn't get involved until a launch date was fixed. It would have been nice if we had had a bit more time, but we should broadly be ready. It's also not impossible that we request some configuration changes before or during the trial. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:31 AM, K. Peacheyp858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Rob Lanphierro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: One thing needed - can someone reply to this thread with a list of all Flagged Revs related pages (whether RFCs, proposals, or major threads) so we can see what's out there? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchfulltext=Searchns0=1ns1=1ns2=1ns3=1ns4=1ns5=1ns6=1ns7=1ns8=1ns9=1ns10=1ns11=1ns12=1ns13=1ns14=1ns15=1ns100=1ns101=1ns108=1ns109=1redirs=0search=WP%3AFlagged Will get most of the pages (in the WP ns at least). -Peachey ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
Just for the sake of understanding better for next time, would people have preferred that we launched later? We gave a date as soon as we were reasonably confident that we could hit a date for the minimum feature set, based on the theory that people wanted this ASAP. But naturally, we could have announced a later date. If in the future the community would like X weeks of cushion to prepare for a feature change, I think that's a very reasonable thing to ask for. The time wouldn't be wasted; there's plenty of good stuff left to do. William On 06/12/2010 06:59 AM, Cenarium sysop wrote: 10 days is a bit short for preparation, as most people didn't get involved until a launch date was fixed. It would have been nice if we had had a bit more time, but we should broadly be ready. It's also not impossible that we request some configuration changes before or during the trial. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:31 AM, K. Peacheyp858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Rob Lanphierro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: One thing needed - can someone reply to this thread with a list of all Flagged Revs related pages (whether RFCs, proposals, or major threads) so we can see what's out there? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchfulltext=Searchns0=1ns1=1ns2=1ns3=1ns4=1ns5=1ns6=1ns7=1ns8=1ns9=1ns10=1ns11=1ns12=1ns13=1ns14=1ns15=1ns100=1ns101=1ns108=1ns109=1redirs=0search=WP%3AFlagged Will get most of the pages (in the WP ns at least). -Peachey ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:13 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: Just for the sake of understanding better for next time, would people have preferred that we launched later? We gave a date as soon as we were reasonably confident that we could hit a date for the minimum feature set, based on the theory that people wanted this ASAP. But naturally, we could have announced a later date. If in the future the community would like X weeks of cushion to prepare for a feature change, I think that's a very reasonable thing to ask for. The time wouldn't be wasted; there's plenty of good stuff left to do. William On 06/12/2010 06:59 AM, Cenarium sysop wrote: 10 days is a bit short for preparation, as most people didn't get involved until a launch date was fixed. It would have been nice if we had had a bit more time, but we should broadly be ready. It's also not impossible that we request some configuration changes before or during the trial. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:31 AM, K. Peacheyp858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Rob Lanphierro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: One thing needed - can someone reply to this thread with a list of all Flagged Revs related pages (whether RFCs, proposals, or major threads) so we can see what's out there? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchfulltext=Searchns0=1ns1=1ns2=1ns3=1ns4=1ns5=1ns6=1ns7=1ns8=1ns9=1ns10=1ns11=1ns12=1ns13=1ns14=1ns15=1ns100=1ns101=1ns108=1ns109=1redirs=0search=WP%3AFlagged Will get most of the pages (in the WP ns at least). -Peachey Honestly? We could have picked any delay and there would still be some people it will suprise when it hits. The Vector skin change had been in the header for months and still suprised people. It's been announced and discussed in advance to an adequate degree, IMHO. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
There was always going to be a bit of Damned if you do, Damned if you don't; It's just unavoidable in a community this large. ~A ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
As I'm actively involved in the preparation of the trial, I assure 10 days is short. Most people don't get involved until a launch date is fixed, especially in this situation where we had to wait for a year with nothing coming so people just waited for something consistent to get involved. And now we need to quickly find consensus on remaining policy issues, write documentation, etc. So I wouldn't have preferred that it be launched later, because we've waited enough, but that the launch date be given at least 3 weeks in advance. On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.comwrote: There was always going to be a bit of Damned if you do, Damned if you don't; It's just unavoidable in a community this large. ~A ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
On 12/06/2010 18:13, William Pietri wrote: Just for the sake of understanding better for next time, would people have preferred that we launched later? We gave a date as soon as we were reasonably confident that we could hit a date for the minimum feature set, based on the theory that people wanted this ASAP. But naturally, we could have announced a later date. If in the future the community would like X weeks of cushion to prepare for a feature change, I think that's a very reasonable thing to ask for. The time wouldn't be wasted; there's plenty of good stuff left to do. William Personally, just launch the damn thing already! KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
On 12 June 2010 22:04, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 12/06/2010 18:13, William Pietri wrote: Just for the sake of understanding better for next time, would people have preferred that we launched later? Personally, just launch the damn thing already! +1 - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
On 06/12/2010 01:27 PM, Cenarium sysop wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Amory Meltzeramorymelt...@gmail.comwrote: There was always going to be a bit of Damned if you do, Damned if you don't; It's just unavoidable in a community this large. As I'm actively involved in the preparation of the trial, I assure 10 days is short. Most people don't get involved until a launch date is fixed, especially in this situation where we had to wait for a year with nothing coming so people just waited for something consistent to get involved. And now we need to quickly find consensus on remaining policy issues, write documentation, etc. So I wouldn't have preferred that it be launched later, because we've waited enough, but that the launch date be given at least 3 weeks in advance. If that were an available option, I surely would have done that. However, pursuing the fastest possible schedule pushes against predictability. If you want greater predictability, you either have to invest more resources in trying to see the future, or you add cushion to your schedule, to increase the chance the actual release date matches your guess. The former means less effort in actually making things, which slows down the project. The latter tends to push back the launch date. So for future projects, the community should definitely keep in mind that asking for something ASAP means lowered schedule predictability, as well as increased project risk, greater chance of bugs, and minimal feature sets. As in so many realms, with software you can get anything you want, but not everything you want. William ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?
On 06/12/2010 02:22 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 12 June 2010 22:04, Kwan Ting Chank...@ktchan.info wrote: On 12/06/2010 18:13, William Pietri wrote: Just for the sake of understanding better for next time, would people have preferred that we launched later? Personally, just launch the damn thing already! +1 Great! That is certainly how I feel about it, so I'm relieved the community feels likewise. For those similarly enthusiastic, there is, as Cenarium points out, still some community work that needs to be done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Flagged_revisions_trial One thing that definitely needs sorting out is when the limit of 2000 Pending Changes articles gets raised. We'll get some numbers on performance impact after it has been in use for a bit, but there has been some talk that we shouldn't raise the number purely because the servers can handle it. It'd be nice to have a clear signal on that by the time the technical issues are sorted. William ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
