Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia: Meet the men and women who write the articles"

2012-07-30 Thread John Vandenberg 
Sigh.  The most eye catching part of the article is the photo of Jimmy with
caption
"Founder Jimmy Wales says he still edits Wikipedia articles several times a
day". Which is false.  Every second day would be closer to the truth.  Or
'... edits several times a day, a few times per year.'
On Jul 15, 2012 12:39 PM, "Katie Chan"  wrote:

> Wikipedia: Meet the men and women who write the articles
> 
> >
>
> KTC
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Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia Education] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-30 Thread LiAnna Davis 
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:11 PM, John Vandenberg  wrote:
>
> Ive replied with more specific questions.
>
> This research was mentioned because of bold statements in the annual plan,
> and Tilman Bayer mentioned this blog post:
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/
>
> Which says U.S. Education Program users are three times better than other
> users.

Just to clarify, it says three times better than other *new* editors,
not established editors! New is a very key word there.

I'm afraid I don't know the answers to the questions you posted as I
was not involved in any of the methodology of this particular
research, but I will see if I can find answers for you.

LiAnna



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Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia Education] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-30 Thread John Vandenberg 
On Jul 31, 2012 1:43 AM, "LiAnna Davis"  wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg  wrote:
> > Ive asked for more info at
> >
> >
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample
>
> I did my best to answer your question there.

Ive replied with more specific questions.

This research was mentioned because of bold statements in the annual plan,
and Tilman Bayer mentioned this blog post:

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/

Which says U.S. Education Program users are three times better than other
users.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-30 Thread LiAnna Davis 
Hi John,

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg  wrote:
> Ive asked for more info at
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample

I did my best to answer your question there.

>
>> . The quantitative method used there has its limitations, but similar
>> methods are employed in independent (i.e non-WMF) research about
>> Wikipedia in the academic literature.
>
> Do you have links to any relevant studies of the GEP?
>

For the English Wikipedia, you might be interested in the Article
Quality Improvement section of the Public Policy Initiative Learning
Points document[1] (that project was the pilot of the U.S. Education
Program). Last term, because of some of the limitations Tilman
referenced above, I worked with English Wikipedia editors Mike
Christie ([[User:Mike Christie]]) and Doc James ([[User:Jmh649]]) to
run a modified version of the Public Policy research, where a corps of
volunteer Wikipedians edited a random sample of student work from last
term. We hired an outside researcher to cross-tabulate the good
classes (as determined by the quality improvement shown) with a series
of factors present in the various classes (so, for example, how many
Ambassadors did the class have? Were they undergraduate or graduate
classes? Did the professor edit Wikipedia? etc.). We're expecting the
results of that research in the next two weeks. You can see more about
it here: [2].

For the Brazil and Egypt pilots, the number of students is so low that
it's easy to see the improvements by hand. For example, students in
the Cairo Pilot wrote the article on Laura Restrepo by hand [3] and
translated the article on Civil disobedience from the French Wikipedia
[4]. All the articles students work on are listed on their course
pages; links to the various language Wikipedia course pages are at
http://education.wikimedia.org

I'm happy to answer other questions about the Education Program either
here or on wiki.

LiAnna

[1] 
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_Initiative_Learning_Points#Student_Contributions:_Article_Quality_Improvement

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ambassadors/Research

[3] 
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7_%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%88

[4] 
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D8%B5%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%86%D9%8A


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[WikiEN-l] Other mailing lists

2012-07-30 Thread Carcharoth 
On 7/30/12, David Gerard  wrote:
> On 30 July 2012 14:49, Carcharoth  wrote:
>
>> PPS. It strikes me that what I said here is better said on the
>> wikimediauk-l mailing list. Is it possible to subscribe to that
>> without having joined WM-UK?
>
>
> Yeah, it's just an ordinary Wikimedia mailing list. For "Wikimedians
> in the UK or interested in the UK", not necessarily WMUK members
> exclusively. Though for obvious reasons much of it is about WMUK
> stuff.
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

(changed the subject line)

Thanks. I have noticed (from browsing archives) that some other
mailing lists (the wikimedia-l one for example) are a lot more active.
That is part of the reason I've stayed out of such discussions, to be
honest, and just lurked and read archives of such lists. I suspect the
wikimediauk-l list is similar. I might be tempted to say too much too
often. But it's good to have the details.

Carcharoth

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an Editathon - 18 August, London

2012-07-30 Thread David Gerard 
On 30 July 2012 14:49, Carcharoth  wrote:

> PPS. It strikes me that what I said here is better said on the
> wikimediauk-l mailing list. Is it possible to subscribe to that
> without having joined WM-UK?


Yeah, it's just an ordinary Wikimedia mailing list. For "Wikimedians
in the UK or interested in the UK", not necessarily WMUK members
exclusively. Though for obvious reasons much of it is about WMUK
stuff.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l


- d.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an Editathon - 18 August, London

2012-07-30 Thread Carcharoth 
My immediate thought (probably misplaced or a misunderstanding, so
please don't bite my head off if that is so) is that such editathons
should be more directed at a wider topic (such as free culture in
general) rather than Mozilla in particular. It feels like "here's some
meeting space and here is some free food, now write/improve the
articles about us". Which is a subtle and important distinction from
the editathons I've been to where the hosting institutions provide
help and resources, but don't insist on or set the topic which is
being edited (though for obvious reasons of convenience and proximity
some of the editathons resulted in articles about objects housed in
the musuem/library hosting the event).

Maybe it should be made clear that WM-UK suggested the topic, not
Mozilla? Re-reading the e-mail, I see that this is very likely the
case, but the distinction is an important one. Having said that, the
British Library food is good, so I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to
compare that to the Mozilla food... :-) But sadly I'll not be around
in London that weekend.

Carcharoth

PS. I thought there was talk at some point of WM-UK providing space
directly for editathons, did that idea not work out?

PPS. It strikes me that what I said here is better said on the
wikimediauk-l mailing list. Is it possible to subscribe to that
without having joined WM-UK?

On 7/30/12, David Gerard  wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Daria Cybulska 
> Date: 30 July 2012 09:45
> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an
> Editathon - 18 August, London
> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Mozilla UK has been supportive to Wikimedia UK and since they opened
> their Mozilla Spaces venue, they were keen that we use it needed for
> events. What we realised is that some of the articles relating to
> Mozilla, Firefox etc. in Wikipedia are not quite of the high standard
> they could be. And so we thought it would be a neighbourly thing to do
> to have a "Mozilla-related Editahton" - the aim would be to turn a
> list of about 15 Mozilla-related articles into content perhaps worthy
> of being a Good Article.
>
> The sprint will be on Saturday 18 August, starting at 12PM at the
> Mozilla offices (London WC2N 4AZ). Lunch and snacks will be provided,
> as will Mozilla people who can be consulted regarding good sources for
> information. Do come along and help our our free culture colleagues
> :-)
>
> For more info and to sign up please visit
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Editathon
> You can also email me with any questions.
>
> Many thanks,
> Daria
>
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> 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor,
> Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United
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Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-30 Thread Carcharoth 
On 7/30/12, Carcharoth  wrote:
> The thread started on wikimedia-l here, if anyone here wants to read
> the background to this:
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-July/121418.html

PS. Here also:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget

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Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-30 Thread Carcharoth 
The thread started on wikimedia-l here, if anyone here wants to read
the background to this:

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-July/121418.html

Carcharoth

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[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an Editathon - 18 August, London

2012-07-30 Thread David Gerard 
-- Forwarded message --
From: Daria Cybulska 
Date: 30 July 2012 09:45
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an
Editathon - 18 August, London
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 


Dear All,

Mozilla UK has been supportive to Wikimedia UK and since they opened
their Mozilla Spaces venue, they were keen that we use it needed for
events. What we realised is that some of the articles relating to
Mozilla, Firefox etc. in Wikipedia are not quite of the high standard
they could be. And so we thought it would be a neighbourly thing to do
to have a "Mozilla-related Editahton" - the aim would be to turn a
list of about 15 Mozilla-related articles into content perhaps worthy
of being a Good Article.

The sprint will be on Saturday 18 August, starting at 12PM at the
Mozilla offices (London WC2N 4AZ). Lunch and snacks will be provided,
as will Mozilla people who can be consulted regarding good sources for
information. Do come along and help our our free culture colleagues
:-)

For more info and to sign up please visit
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Editathon
You can also email me with any questions.

Many thanks,
Daria

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+44 (0) 207 065 0994
+44 7803 505 170
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Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company
Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No.
6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor,
Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United
Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
(who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).



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