Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
Newspaper columns are not all of uniform size. Layout editors choose one width from within a certain readable range of column widths. Different stories may be of different widths, but a particular story will keep to the same width, as different widths would look strange. Of course if a story jumps to another page, it can have a different width. On the web the same principle applies that columns of text which are too narrow (when pinched by photos etc) or too wide (single column on a wide screen with browser at full width) then its probably going to make readers unhappy. -S On Jan 28, 2013 4:27 PM, "Steve Bennett" wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > Trouble there is that newspapers are portrait and have pages, but > > screens are usually landscape and (the important bit) stretch > > indefinitely vertically. A good example of the problem with doing it > > like a newspaper is https://sites.google.com/site/sophieinnorthkorea/ > > - brilliant article, but on a laptop screen the layout is just really > > confusing. > > And newspaper layouts are handcrafted for exactly one width and > height. It's hard enough to get articles to display nicely with > embedded images and infoboxes with a single column - could that really > work multi column? Maybe a better use of the extra horizontal space > would be to expand some of the embedded images and infoboxes out of > the text? > > I was going to point to theglobalmail.org as an interesting example of > a multi-column layout on the web (horizontal scrolling!) but it looks > like they've caved in and gone to a conventional one column vertical > layout. > > Steve > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM, David Gerard wrote: > Trouble there is that newspapers are portrait and have pages, but > screens are usually landscape and (the important bit) stretch > indefinitely vertically. A good example of the problem with doing it > like a newspaper is https://sites.google.com/site/sophieinnorthkorea/ > - brilliant article, but on a laptop screen the layout is just really > confusing. And newspaper layouts are handcrafted for exactly one width and height. It's hard enough to get articles to display nicely with embedded images and infoboxes with a single column - could that really work multi column? Maybe a better use of the extra horizontal space would be to expand some of the embedded images and infoboxes out of the text? I was going to point to theglobalmail.org as an interesting example of a multi-column layout on the web (horizontal scrolling!) but it looks like they've caved in and gone to a conventional one column vertical layout. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > One thing this and previous designs agree upon is to use a three-column > layout for content. On today's wide screens, reduced line length for the > main text should improve readability, and still use the side columns > pragmatically; it seems the TOC usually goes to the left, and infoboxes to > the right. > Word. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On 28 January 2013 21:59, Magnus Manske wrote: > One thing this and previous designs agree upon is to use a three-column > layout for content. On today's wide screens, reduced line length for the > main text should improve readability, and still use the side columns > pragmatically; it seems the TOC usually goes to the left, and infoboxes to > the right. If we detect a wide screen (I have a 1920x1200 at work), going at least two-column would definitely be a good idea. Is anyone working on responsiveness in Vector? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On 28 January 2013 22:17, stevertigo wrote: > There is an ideal column width for readability, which is well understood in > newspaper publishing but less so in books and even less so on the web. I > think its around 10 words. Trouble there is that newspapers are portrait and have pages, but screens are usually landscape and (the important bit) stretch indefinitely vertically. A good example of the problem with doing it like a newspaper is https://sites.google.com/site/sophieinnorthkorea/ - brilliant article, but on a laptop screen the layout is just really confusing. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
There is an ideal column width for readability, which is well understood in newspaper publishing but less so in books and even less so on the web. I think its around 10 words. -Steven On Jan 28, 2013 2:00 PM, "Magnus Manske" wrote: > One thing this and previous designs agree upon is to use a three-column > layout for content. On today's wide screens, reduced line length for the > main text should improve readability, and still use the side columns > pragmatically; it seems the TOC usually goes to the left, and infoboxes to > the right. > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > > I found this one visually appealing: > > > > http://dribbble.com/wirwoluf/projects/104912-wikipedia-redesign > > > > No doubt others will now take it apart :-) > > > > > > - d. > > > > ___ > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
One thing this and previous designs agree upon is to use a three-column layout for content. On today's wide screens, reduced line length for the main text should improve readability, and still use the side columns pragmatically; it seems the TOC usually goes to the left, and infoboxes to the right. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: > I found this one visually appealing: > > http://dribbble.com/wirwoluf/projects/104912-wikipedia-redesign > > No doubt others will now take it apart :-) > > > - d. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
I found this one visually appealing: http://dribbble.com/wirwoluf/projects/104912-wikipedia-redesign No doubt others will now take it apart :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
