[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Ambassadors US] Proposal to enable the Education Program extension
-- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Cummings cummi...@olemiss.edu Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:56 PM Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors US] Proposal to enable the Education Program extension To: teaching-with-wikipedia teaching-with-wikipe...@listserv.olemiss.edu Hi Wikipedia Teachers: Sorry if this is a cross post for you. Yours, Bob -- Forwarded message -- From: Sage Ross sr...@wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM Subject: [Ambassadors US] Proposal to enable the Education Program extension To: Wikipedia Ambassadors wikipedia-ambassad...@googlegroups.com A request for comment on whether to enable the Education Program extension, for use in the US and Canada Education Programs and (optionally) independent classes as well is live: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Education_Program_extension Feel free to voice your opinion on how the new automatic course page features should be used. Cheers, Sage Ross User:Sage Ross (WMF) -- Dr. Robert E. Cummings Director, Center for Writing and Rhetoric University of Mississippi PO Box 1848 University, MS 38677-1848 (662) 915-1989 cummi...@olemiss.edu Lazy Virtues: http://www.vanderbiltuniversitypress.com/books/156/lazy-virtues Wiki Writing: http://www.digitalculture.org/books/wiki-writing COLT: http://colt.olemiss.edu/ -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia-l] Legality under French law of hosting personal details such as race and sexuality in Wikipedia
If the prose has a citation, someone is has published these details first, and should have obtained consent. On Aug 20, 2012 7:55 AM, Wyatt Lucas darthyut...@gmail.com wrote: What about infoboxes and leads? They must mention ethnicity, religion, sexuality, etc. somewhere. -- ~~yutsi Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I've been told (and have verified) that the French Wikipedia indeed does without categories to mark people as Jewish, LGBT, etc. I actually quite like that approach. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: The question at issue is whether French Wikimedians might be individually liable for violating French law if they add such categories in Wikipedia. Seems possible. Fortunately, Wikipedia offers both https and the ability to contribute anonymously, for those who are worried about this sort of thing. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia Education] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation
On Jul 31, 2012 1:43 AM, LiAnna Davis lda...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi John, On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Ive asked for more info at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample I did my best to answer your question there. Ive replied with more specific questions. This research was mentioned because of bold statements in the annual plan, and Tilman Bayer mentioned this blog post: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/ Which says U.S. Education Program users are three times better than other users. -- JV ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia: Meet the men and women who write the articles
Sigh. The most eye catching part of the article is the photo of Jimmy with caption Founder Jimmy Wales says he still edits Wikipedia articles several times a day. Which is false. Every second day would be closer to the truth. Or '... edits several times a day, a few times per year.' On Jul 15, 2012 12:39 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Wikipedia: Meet the men and women who write the articles http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/**magazine-18833763http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18833763 KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikien-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation
On Jul 30, 2012 7:18 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote: Hi all, the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf accompanied by a QA: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers The plan was approved by the Board of Trustees at its meeting in Washington, DC, at Wikimania, and previously outlined to the Foundation staff and interested community members at the monthly staff meeting on July 5, 2012. We were planning to publish the video recording of that meeting at this point, but encountered technical difficulties; the video will hopefully become available soon. Slide 8 : How are we doing against the 2012 targets I was stopped by The Global Education Program is now the largest-ever systematic effort of the Wikimedia mouvement to boost high quality content creation, with a projected addition of 19 million characters to Wikipedia through student assignements 2011-2012 OF COURSE, we all know that WMF needs to glorify what it is actually initiating/in charge of. And that's fair enough. But seriously... I would feel fine with us trying to claim that the GEP is the largest system effort to INCREASE the number of articles. It is probably true. But we all know that the result is... so and so. Possibly good content, but also lot's of crap being reverted and deleted afterwards. Claiming it is the largest effort to boost high quality content is not only disingenous... but I actually find it counter productive and a tiny bit offensive toward the actual community. High quality content simply does NOT come from newbie students. Over the last years, the Foundation has been trying to base decisions and evaluations more often on objective data and research rather than on personal opinions and impressions. Of course, here the term high quality does not necessarily mean, say, featured content (e.g. on the English Wikipedia, featured articles currently make up less than 0.1% of the total articles), but instead refers to comparisons with average contributions. Someone from the Education Program will be able to give a more thorough overview of the efforts to evaluate its results, but for example I'm aware of https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/ Ive asked for more info at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample . The quantitative method used there has its limitations, but similar methods are employed in independent (i.e non-WMF) research about Wikipedia in the academic literature. Do you have links to any relevant studies of the GEP? -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender
On Jul 18, 2012 8:56 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7/18/12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 July 2012 10:47, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I remember it being referred to many years ago as long-standing practice, but I've dug around a bit in the discussion archives and can't seem to pin it down. It's probably pre-2004, maybe even pre-2003 - anyone remember? As with almost all our category system, it's basically ad hoc. I suggest if you can propose something not insane to relevant wikiprojects and are prepared to do the bot work yourself, you can have endless fun clicking save in AWB for a few hours. For 1,000,000 articles? I think it should be done, but it will take more than a few hours. I think it could be done very quickly, if lots of people got involved. Laura and I did it for Australian sports people. It is time consuming as category structures need to be created. And I don't think the cases where it is unclear or a matter of privacy (a vanishingly small number) should preclude the obvious cases being done. It doesn't seem quite right that the potential for arguments over edge cases and how to handle them sensitively, would preclude being able to search by gender. When used in category intersections, its really useful info for gender studies. -- JV ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender
No pushback. .. yet. .. ;) Just a few justified complaints when i made mistakes. I only categorised women...leaving un-gender-categorised articles as 'men' and then deduced the percentage of women from that. I figured that the chances of pushback were higher if I 'touched' lots of articles and cats about men ;) Those edits would be seen as less useful as in many cases there are very few women with articles in male dominated sports. E.g. Rugby, where the female leagues dont attract usable levels of press coverage, making notability difficult, and limiting the number of people likely to care enough to write a bio. I did have a complaint that I wasnt categorising men as well, and i think i promised to do that, but havent done so. On Jul 30, 2012 8:15 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 29 July 2012 22:53, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: And I don't think the cases where it is unclear or a matter of privacy (a vanishingly small number) should preclude the obvious cases being done. It doesn't seem quite right that the potential for arguments over edge cases and how to handle them sensitively, would preclude being able to search by gender. When used in category intersections, its really useful info for gender studies. Indeed. I would love to see a chart of gender-in-Wikipedia compared to birth years, for example, over the last few centuries. Even in the simplest cases (pure coverage numbers) it's an interesting tool for understanding our coverage and how that reflects systemic biases. I'm interested to hear that you categorised for a large set - did it work smoothly, labour-intensiveness aside, and was there any pushback? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!
Or a template at the top. 'This article relies on newspaper sources...please contribute better sources or tag with notability if you cant find any better sources.' P.s. This offtopic thread should be on Wikipedia lists as its not about the movement in general. On Jul 4, 2012 6:13 PM, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2012 01:38, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Well, if I were suddenly named dictator of Wikipedia, I'd probably suggest that a recent event namespace be created, where popular media were acceptable sources, and make them verbotten in mainspace. Mainspace articles might have a hatnote with a link to the other namespace along the lines of for recent, less authoritative coverage. You could avoid the whole namespace issue by simply highlighting articles or parts of article that are based on popular media. Like non-canon stuff on fiction wikis. Highlight its background in blue or something. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable, independent secondary sources that do so. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources. Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have been published by a reliable secondary source. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable secondary sources. Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or possibly reported to Arb Com. I've alerted Arbcom as a courtesy, however a community assessment is needed in order to determine if there is any credible link to nichalp or any reason for a desysop. -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Wikimedians to the Games
Wikimedia Australia is pleased to announce a partnership with the Australian Paralympic Committee to intended to increase the depth and quality of information about disability sport on Wikipedia (English, German, French), Wikinews and Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedians to the Games (W2G) is a an opportunity for two Australian Wikimedians to go to London and cover the 2012 Summer Paralympics held in London for Wikinews, Commons and Wikipedia. W2G is played and won by skill of editing. The purpose W2G is to encourage content improvement related to the history of the Paralympic Movement in Australia and make editing on Wikipedia fun. Wikimedians to the Games begins on 10 January 2012 (today) and is structured as a two round tournament. The plan for the tournament is as follows: Round one: 10 January 2012 to 20 April 2012 We start with one group of all participants, with the top 4 from that group progressing to the second round. These four will be given press passes to cover the 2012 Paralympic Games. Points reset to zero at the end of the first round. Round two: 22 April 2012 to 30 June 2012 4 participants remain – the top two win transportation and accommodation to cover the Paralympic Games in person. For the full rules clarifying for what points can be awarded and other rules, see attached document and the wiki version: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/HOPAU/W2G/Rules However, the spirit of the rules are more important than the letter, and the judges reserve the right to deny points to anyone deemed to be abusing the system, as well as remove persistently problematic users from the competition. The judges for W2G include Laura Hale and John Vandenberg. They will be assisted by other judges including Sp33dyphil. They can be reached by their talk pages, the W2G talk page, by email or in the Wikimedia Australia IRC channel, #wikimedia-au. If you believe one of the contestants is abusing the spirit of the rules, intentionally submitting subpar articles with the aim of getting more W2G points, or anything similar, please contact one of the judges by email. They will look into the matter and take action if necessary. You can sign up at any time between 10 January and 20 April 2012 by following the directions at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/HOPAU/W2G/Participants There is an ongoing discussion about this program at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board#Wikimedians_to_the_Games -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedians to the Games
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 07:54, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia Australia is pleased to announce a partnership with the Australian Paralympic Committee to intended to increase the depth and quality of information about disability sport on Wikipedia (English, German, French), Wikinews and Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedians to the Games (W2G) is a an opportunity for two Australian Wikimedians to go to London and cover the 2012 Summer Paralympics... Cool. Is entry limited to disabled Australian Wikimedians? All Australian residents can participate, regardless of their disability. ;-) Anyone who isn't sure whether they would qualify as an Australian residents should ask Laura or I via email, and we'll refer the case to the lawyers. -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Alec Conroy
Hi, gmail email account has been terminated. ;-( -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] iCorrect
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: ... We don't know if there's demand because hardly anyone redlinks anymore. Whether that's a function of over-zealous link police or obviously linkable topics being filled out, I can't say. There are still many redlinks to be found, however the wantedpages report is stale and isnt restricted to mainspace redlinks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WantedPages http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHeretarget=Kansas+City+Balletnamespace=0 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHeretarget=Rusty+Jacksonnamespace=0 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHeretarget=Willow+Creek+Wildlife+Areanamespace=0 Many of these redlinks have higher numbers because the redlink is on a template. It would be good if the wantedpages report was regenerated periodically; monthly would be fine. Or maintained only for redlinks in, and to, mainspace. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1861 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15434 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14786 -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] GLAM Wiki UK 2010
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: .. Believe me, there is life after ArbCom, though in my case some of it has been lived on Wikisource. I do recall asking you about the WMUK list, and you said no time. That should change. With any luck, Carcharoth will retire to Wikisource as well. ;-) -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: ... Oh wait, I found a page here: http://www.fbi.gov/priorities/priorities.htm That would be a better source for images, but the images don't seem to be there. Older revisions have the image: http://web.archive.org/web/20040825160713/http://www.fbi.gov/priorities/priorities.htm -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Feature Article Prizes - British Museum
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Dear en.wiki-l, As some of you may have seen in this week's Wikipedia Signpost[1] or on the Wikimedia UK Blog[2] the British Museum is offering five prizes of £100 (≈$140USD/€120) at their shop/bookshop[3] for new Featured Articles on topics related to the British Museum *in any Wikipedia language edition*. Ideally, the topics will be articles about collection items. Your choice. A good place to start looking is Category: Collection of the British Museum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Collection_of_the_British_Museum The rules say: * In the event that multiple users claim a prize for the same article, they will need to agree among themselves how to allocate the prize. Given that an FA involves many contributors, we can expect that each successful FA will have many people who deserve a cut. This should be interesting to watch. ;-) Any chance the British Museum will donate a high-resolution image when the article becomes a GA? -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay
://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2008/06/17/an-open-access-success-story-just-in-time-for-cali/ These will all be at least man-months to complete. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Index:United_States_Statutes_at_Large Further afield, the Gutenberg etexts rarely contain attribution, and the Project Gutenberg license clearly states that redistribution is permitted if either a) the file is unmodified, or b) all trace of Project Gutenberg is removed (section 1.E) http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Project_Gutenberg_Header_How-To Our pool of talented media contributors is not deep. Wikipedia has exactly one FP photographer from sub-Saharan Africa, who has expressed similar complaints. Much of our best visual content is location-specific: cityscapes, landmarks, and species can seldom be transmitted via interlibrary loan. If it doesn't shock you to see even the Holocaust exploited then I'll shake my head and move on. It isn't easy to expand the volunteer pool under these conditions. But a new group of high resolution images arrived from the Tropenmuseum today; when one door closes another one opens. Please don't use the Holocaust in this way. You should know how inappropriate that can be. -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: The vendor violates moral rights on all the items it offers for sale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights_%28copyright_law%29 If you have not created a creative work, you are not the author and do not have moral/authorship rights. Even if you were the author, how does ebay business violate your moral rights? -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: A strawman argument occurs when a response attempts to redefine a statement into something it isn't--something simpleminded and easier to rebut--and then pokes at the holes it created. Note the actual statement: The vendor violates moral rights on all the items it offers for sale. And the rebuttal: If you have not created a creative work, you are not the author and do not have moral/authorship rights. This vendor offers hundreds of items for sale, a substantial number of which are obviously copyrighted: among a group of NASA photographs, a publiciity shot of Nichelle Nichols as Lieutenant Uhura, a portrait of Thurgood Marshall owned by the NAACP, and a potrait of Jane Russell taken by George Hurrell. The vendor does not credit Hurrell or any other creative contributor. Several of them, such as Carol Highsmith, are still alive and active. Some of these images may violate Wikimedians' copyleft licenses; featured pictures have been stolen for commercial purposes before. Have you identified any items for sale which are from Wikimedia projects and not clearly marked as being in the public domain? Luckily the ebay items have sufficient metadata that we should be able to track them all down. A big job, but worth doing. In his eagerness to construct a strawman, John Vandenberg ignores all these factors. This is one reason why the pool of featured picture contributors is small. You started this thread with An eBay vendor is exploiting a volunteer restoration of the Holocaust. and Going through their online store revealed a dozen more of my restorations for sale, all without credit. Obviously I assumed that you were concerned that you and other restoration volunteers had some moral rights being violated. My apologies for that assumption. It was a cop-out for me to say that faithful restorers have no moral rights. I wouldn't go as far as to say I was being simpleminded, but I am a bit biased in that regard. As I am shocked to learn that I am somehow partly responsible for the pool of featured picture contributors being so small ... I'd better pick up my act and help identify the creators of these works and look for cases where moral rights have been violated. Moral rights are only available in the U.S. for works of visual art, defined here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Code/Title_17/Chapter_1/Section_101#work_of_visual_art --- A “work of visual art” is— (1) a painting, drawing, print, or sculpture, existing in a single copy, in a limited edition of 200 copies or fewer that are signed and consecutively numbered by the author, or, in the case of a sculpture, in multiple cast, carved, or fabricated sculptures of 200 or fewer that are consecutively numbered by the author and bear the signature or other identifying mark of the author; or (2) a still photographic image produced for exhibition purposes only, existing in a single copy that is signed by the author, or in a limited edition of 200 copies or fewer that are signed and consecutively numbered by the author. A work of visual art does not include— (A) (i) any poster, map, globe, chart, technical drawing, diagram, model, applied art, motion picture or other audiovisual work, book, magazine, newspaper, periodical, data base, electronic information service, electronic publication, or similar publication; (ii) any merchandising item or advertising, promotional, descriptive, covering, or packaging material or container; (iii) any portion or part of any item described in clause (i) or (ii); (B) any work made for hire; or (C) any work not subject to copyright protection under this title. So I doubt that any visual art is on Wikimedia, and no moral right violations according to that definition. However non-U.S. creators have moral rights in their own jurisdictions, which can be asserted anywhere, so we should be looking for works by non-U.S. artists among the list of ebay items. In the example you gave, the photographer is Unknown Stroop Report photographer, which raises the question of whether unknown creators still have moral rights, given that they cant assert them. In the next example, ebay item 200380798081 = Mount_Rushmore2.jpg, we identify the photographer as Rise Studio, a U.S. author. ebay item 200380821338 = Vernon_and_Irene_Castle2.jpg, and we identify it as American photographer [[w:Frances Benjamin Johnston]]. To get the analysis underway, I have compiled a list of the 166 items sold in the last 90 days, removed/merged dups, and put them into a table. Currently there are 140 distinct items, but there may be some dups which I havent picked up. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:John_Vandenberg/source4docs I've added a comment for ebay item 200370665186, which is one of the items that you have mentioned in your original email. I can also compile a list of unsold items. -- John Vandenberg
Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright question
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanencimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Carcharoth wrote: Most of that is the sale of contemporary copyrighted photographs (by living photographers earning money from their trade). But some of that will be the commercial sale of scans of PD stuff that gets free culture people up in arms. The root of this issue is the commercial exploitation of the public domain. My view is that if people are prepared to spend time, money and effort in finding, collecting, keeping and conserving public domain material, and then scanning it and digitising it, then there is nothing to prevent people selling the end product of such labours. And people will pay for that service. Whether it is morally right to exploit the public domain (by selling such scans for money), and whether it is morally right to appropriate the scans made by others (by insisting the scans are also public domain), is something I can see arguments for on both sides of this divide. What is most striking to my mind in this issue of use of images, is how the status quo differs from that with regard to _texts_. With texts, what you have are Project Gutenberg, The Internet Archive, Wikisource etc. pretty much all of them with some form of copyleft, or at least not asserting silly Copyprotect rationales (total PD in the case of PG, with merely the proviso of *not* attributing if you don't include the full disclaimer of the license) I do know there have been cases of good quality scans of texts being hoarded, or being totally disallowed in the past, such as the case of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but I don't quite see them as being relevant in this context. Libraries and librarians promote wide distribution, so there is almost a race to see who can digitise books first. The culture within these organisations is different, and mean that even their rare works are digitised, but that is more expensive due to the need to be extremely careful. From their perspective, providing a very high res image to the world means that the original will not be requested very often, which will extend its life. Historical societies usually adopt a stance more similar to the museums, because they have lots of interesting texts in their collections which are unique, _and_ they are looking for ways to stay afloat. The art world is very different because it has been based on limited distribution (prints) of good art, as opposed to wide distribution of works of even dubious value, as happens with books. -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright question
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:23 PM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: I just got curious and read up on Bridgeman vs. Corel. To my complete surprise, though heard in the US, it cites UK precedent (Privy Council, House of Lords) in forming its opinion -- it is /not/ purely a case based upon US law. For anyone interested, we have this on Wikisource http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library,_Ltd._v._Corel_Corp. There are a number of redlinks at the bottom. It would be good if Wikipedia articles were written about: * Fine Arts Copyright Act 1862 (see [[Edwin Wilkins Field]]) * Graves' Case (1869, LR 4 QB 715) I cant quickly find a copy of Graves Case on the Internet. If anyone can obtain pagescans of it, I will set it up on Wikisource as a transcription project. -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright question
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/20 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: Are UK legal rulings public domain? Or just US rulings? I understand that Wikisource treats all laws everywhere as public domain; don't know about court rulings. David is correct. English Wikisource does not have the a rule must be PD in the country of origin, as we like the nice clear lines of PD-1923 and PD-GovEdict. In the US, all laws (inc foreign) are public domain, and in the UK the laws may be reproduced with a few restrictions, such as not including images of seals and requiring accuracy. So modification is not permitted by UK residents (no UK vandals permitted) but it is PD in the US jurisdiction, meaning modification is permitted, and so it sneaks in the back door of the freedomdefined.org definition. I would need to check whether UK residents are legally permitted to put their laws on Wikisource - there is a restriction that the website needs to have obtained permission, but I dont recall if it applies in this situation. The Graves' Case is from 1869, so crown copyright has expired. (crown copyright is very different as the crown doesn't die.) iirc Wikisource doesnt have any UK court rulings so that issue hasn't been raised. We do have a few AUS court rulings, and iirc they are still covered by crown copyright, and they might even have been contributed or improved by an Australian. -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] wexperts.net/
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:37 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: And what does that protected blank page say ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CheckUser/Log?cuSearchType=targetcuSearch=Wexperts It would say that they have been checkusered, by me and another checkuser. If you dont have access to Checkuser, you can get the gist of it from the contribs and block log, which are accessible to everyone. -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] wexperts.net/
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:44 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: http://www.wexperts.net/ Context? Yours? I wonder if it was started by a Wikipedian to troll. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wexperts and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CheckUser/Log?cuSearchType=targetcuSearch=Wexperts -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:08 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/6 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: Hm. Of course, Tim is right - if its public/open domain then wikisource should host it and we will then link to it. The issue with the hebtools site/script is that most of its links go to BibleGateway. Obviously the current script's sources need to be changed to include both other gateways like bible.cc and of course wikisource. A choice of gateways would be preferable. The current hosted translations/versions on wikisource are: * Bible (Wycliffe) (1380s) * Bible (Tyndale) (1526) * Douay-Rheims Bible (1610) * King James translation, or “Authorized Version” (1611) * King James translation, Oxford Standard (1769) * American Standard translation (1901) * Bible (Jewish Publication Society 1917) * World English translation (in progress since 1997) * Wikisource translation (in progress since 2006) Is there anything that will show the same verse in several translations at once? That would be ideal - highly educational. That would require something less like wiki pages and more like a database at the other end. Or someone laboriously compiling wiki pages of the form en.wiki---.org/wiki/John/3/16 . Wikisource does this whenever someone can be bothered adding the necessary glue. e.g. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible/Jude/1/1 see here for more: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Bible/ -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions: de:wp 99.5% reviewed
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm hoping it will work in practice like wikisource, where there are four levels of approval as a text goes through the various transcription and proofreading stages. But I may be misunderstanding the differences. To see flagged revisions in action, as far as I'm aware, the best thing to do is go to the German Wikipedia or a test wiki (is there one?). More info here: http://quality.wikimedia.org/ Test Wiki has it enabled: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UnreviewedPages So does the En lab (using English Wikibooks data): http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/ English Wikibooks has it in production: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_Wikibooks/Reviewing_Pages English Wikinews has it in production: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Flagged_revisions Hebrew and Russian Wikisource have Flagged Revs enabled; I've not checked how well they are using it. http://wikisource.org/wiki/WS:COORD -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
