Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
Another one http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshioldid=108166042 ( No translation needed) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: I think, some are getting it all wrong. It is not about sympathies to Nichalp or who so ever. The problem is not conflict of interest editing... It is not even a philosophical debate of Paid editing Vs Volunteer editing... The problem is getting paid to white wash negative materials in favor of the clients, which eventually render Wikipedia articles biased and information suppressed... And if those people can get favors from the level of Admins, it is definitely wrong. What is more shocking is that if that if an account created possibly with a single purpose ( of protecting the interests of a business group) can manage to climb up the ladder of admin-ship of a stronger Wikipedia like en.wiki , it is definitely alarming ! At this point of time, I am giving the benefit of doubt of whether Wifione is actually Nichalp or not. But definitely an account like Wifione aka Wireless Fidelity Class One must be investigated. It is not the first time, IIPM related folks tried to infiltrate Wikipedia to get the articles in their favour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mrinal_Pandey I am sure that scores of such sock puppet users are still having a free run with related articles. Previous sockpuppet investigations against Wifione in 2009 returned a possible result. Imagine having an admin also with ACC ( Account Creation) toolserver authorization in the favour. What is more shocking is that one user who slapped the notice on Wifione got this message on his talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshioldid=104617335 (which closely translates to DONT YOU GET SCARED? THESE IIPM GUYS WILL KILL YOU) Now tell me, can volunteers like you and me fearlessly edit articles related to IIPM to remove its bias, in such situations of death threats? Least I want to go to Silichar after being sued. -TC On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I think we mean this criticism only in the Wikipedia reference. It's not as if we're going to catch and hand over this guy to the Police. Such paid editing lowers the morale of other editors. Efforts must be made to stop such work that is detrimental to other Wikipedia volunteers. Then again, we're putting the cart in front of the horse. It's not been proved Nichalp and wifione are one and the same. It is hence best to discuss only about paid editing and how this practise can be identified and stopped. Pradeep Handheld On 09/02/2012, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I would only like to remind people that showing some sympathy is not a bad thing . Coming from armed forces where there are no second places - to me the greatest sin is lack of competence, whether in language, wiki-writing, techniques or otherwise. I was told by someone that Wikipeding was a voluntary activity so high standards should not be expected in competence. If that is true, then we should not suddenly start witch-hunting on the basis of principle when we are ourselves so casual about other qualities in other ways! Without mentioning specific incidents, I have come across this tendency to crucify others in India community - which is deplorable. Before any one becomes high mighty on morals here, one should look closely at what are harmful crimes against humanity (murder, rape etc) and what are social misdemeanours (wiki-crimes). So many of us condone other faults all the time in Indian society; it is hypocrisy to be principled in issues concerning others, when we ourselves don't apply the highest standards to ourselves. In my opinion. it is NOT the business of this community to go searching for culprits unless the culprit has affected us in some manner, which does not appear to be the case. As Jesus Christ said, let he who is without blame cast the first stone. There are far better and much more important things to do here. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: I feel no sympathy for Nichalp or any such users ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
I think, some are getting it all wrong. It is not about sympathies to Nichalp or who so ever. The problem is not conflict of interest editing... It is not even a philosophical debate of Paid editing Vs Volunteer editing... The problem is getting paid to white wash negative materials in favor of the clients, which eventually render Wikipedia articles biased and information suppressed... And if those people can get favors from the level of Admins, it is definitely wrong. What is more shocking is that if that if an account created possibly with a single purpose ( of protecting the interests of a business group) can manage to climb up the ladder of admin-ship of a stronger Wikipedia like en.wiki , it is definitely alarming ! At this point of time, I am giving the benefit of doubt of whether Wifione is actually Nichalp or not. But definitely an account like Wifione aka Wireless Fidelity Class One must be investigated. It is not the first time, IIPM related folks tried to infiltrate Wikipedia to get the articles in their favour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mrinal_Pandey I am sure that scores of such sock puppet users are still having a free run with related articles. Previous sockpuppet investigations against Wifione in 2009 returned a possible result. Imagine having an admin also with ACC ( Account Creation) toolserver authorization in the favour. What is more shocking is that one user who slapped the notice on Wifione got this message on his talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshioldid=104617335 (which closely translates to DONT YOU GET SCARED? THESE IIPM GUYS WILL KILL YOU) Now tell me, can volunteers like you and me fearlessly edit articles related to IIPM to remove its bias, in such situations of death threats? Least I want to go to Silichar after being sued. -TC On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I think we mean this criticism only in the Wikipedia reference. It's not as if we're going to catch and hand over this guy to the Police. Such paid editing lowers the morale of other editors. Efforts must be made to stop such work that is detrimental to other Wikipedia volunteers. Then again, we're putting the cart in front of the horse. It's not been proved Nichalp and wifione are one and the same. It is hence best to discuss only about paid editing and how this practise can be identified and stopped. Pradeep Handheld On 09/02/2012, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I would only like to remind people that showing some sympathy is not a bad thing . Coming from armed forces where there are no second places - to me the greatest sin is lack of competence, whether in language, wiki-writing, techniques or otherwise. I was told by someone that Wikipeding was a voluntary activity so high standards should not be expected in competence. If that is true, then we should not suddenly start witch-hunting on the basis of principle when we are ourselves so casual about other qualities in other ways! Without mentioning specific incidents, I have come across this tendency to crucify others in India community - which is deplorable. Before any one becomes high mighty on morals here, one should look closely at what are harmful crimes against humanity (murder, rape etc) and what are social misdemeanours (wiki-crimes). So many of us condone other faults all the time in Indian society; it is hypocrisy to be principled in issues concerning others, when we ourselves don't apply the highest standards to ourselves. In my opinion. it is NOT the business of this community to go searching for culprits unless the culprit has affected us in some manner, which does not appear to be the case. As Jesus Christ said, let he who is without blame cast the first stone. There are far better and much more important things to do here. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: I feel no sympathy for Nichalp or any such users ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
Not to state an opinion in any direction about Wifione, but has anybody bothered to tell him that he is being discussed on these mailing lists? Risker On 9 February 2012 05:23, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: I think, some are getting it all wrong. It is not about sympathies to Nichalp or who so ever. The problem is not conflict of interest editing... It is not even a philosophical debate of Paid editing Vs Volunteer editing... The problem is getting paid to white wash negative materials in favor of the clients, which eventually render Wikipedia articles biased and information suppressed... And if those people can get favors from the level of Admins, it is definitely wrong. What is more shocking is that if that if an account created possibly with a single purpose ( of protecting the interests of a business group) can manage to climb up the ladder of admin-ship of a stronger Wikipedia like en.wiki , it is definitely alarming ! At this point of time, I am giving the benefit of doubt of whether Wifione is actually Nichalp or not. But definitely an account like Wifione aka Wireless Fidelity Class One must be investigated. It is not the first time, IIPM related folks tried to infiltrate Wikipedia to get the articles in their favour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mrinal_Pandey I am sure that scores of such sock puppet users are still having a free run with related articles. Previous sockpuppet investigations against Wifione in 2009 returned a possible result. Imagine having an admin also with ACC ( Account Creation) toolserver authorization in the favour. What is more shocking is that one user who slapped the notice on Wifione got this message on his talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshioldid=104617335 (which closely translates to DONT YOU GET SCARED? THESE IIPM GUYS WILL KILL YOU) Now tell me, can volunteers like you and me fearlessly edit articles related to IIPM to remove its bias, in such situations of death threats? Least I want to go to Silichar after being sued. -TC On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I think we mean this criticism only in the Wikipedia reference. It's not as if we're going to catch and hand over this guy to the Police. Such paid editing lowers the morale of other editors. Efforts must be made to stop such work that is detrimental to other Wikipedia volunteers. Then again, we're putting the cart in front of the horse. It's not been proved Nichalp and wifione are one and the same. It is hence best to discuss only about paid editing and how this practise can be identified and stopped. Pradeep Handheld On 09/02/2012, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I would only like to remind people that showing some sympathy is not a bad thing . Coming from armed forces where there are no second places - to me the greatest sin is lack of competence, whether in language, wiki-writing, techniques or otherwise. I was told by someone that Wikipeding was a voluntary activity so high standards should not be expected in competence. If that is true, then we should not suddenly start witch-hunting on the basis of principle when we are ourselves so casual about other qualities in other ways! Without mentioning specific incidents, I have come across this tendency to crucify others in India community - which is deplorable. Before any one becomes high mighty on morals here, one should look closely at what are harmful crimes against humanity (murder, rape etc) and what are social misdemeanours (wiki-crimes). So many of us condone other faults all the time in Indian society; it is hypocrisy to be principled in issues concerning others, when we ourselves don't apply the highest standards to ourselves. In my opinion. it is NOT the business of this community to go searching for culprits unless the culprit has affected us in some manner, which does not appear to be the case. As Jesus Christ said, let he who is without blame cast the first stone. There are far better and much more important things to do here. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: I feel no sympathy for Nichalp or any such users ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or possibly reported to Arb Com. -TC On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I do not understand why this accusation is written as a work of fiction. Whatever the problems faced by an individual, it does not provide grounds for crimes like theft. If the person does resort to these methods, has to face the consequences, if found out. I am sure we appreciated User:Nichalp's contributions when they were made. However, when he/she has made mistakes and makes them multiple times, I think this also warrants serious investigation. Pradeep Handheld On 07/02/2012, guptc...@ovi.com guptc...@ovi.com wrote: This is the story of Nichalp[1], an Indian student from Mumbai who became obsessed with editing Wikipedia at a young age. He transformed several articles into featured articles, and became a role model for many editors. He was granted the bureaucrat, oversight and administrator privileges - nobody deserved these rights more than him, not even Jimbo. A major change in Nichalp's life came when he came to Australia for higher education. Facing a severe financial crunch, Nichalp decided to use the only extraordinary skill he had - editing Wikipedia - for making money. He put up ads on several freelancer recruiting websites, promising to write articles in oexchange for small amounts of money.[2] These were the days when the PR professionals had started realizing the importance of Wikipedia. There were many takers for Nichalp's services. With his sockpuppet accounts, Nichalp made a number of contributions (many of which stand deleted now). Unfortunately for Nichalp, the Wikizealots live in an idealistic world. They don't realize that, in the long run, editors cannot be expected to devote their time to the project for free.[3] When the Wikihounds came to know about one of Nichalp's paid editing accounts they came after him. Nichalp knew he would be stalked in real life, so he made his main account inactive. Meanwhile, he continued to be active through his other paid editing accounts. A man of foresight, Nichalp started another account in April 2009 to gain back his admin rights.[4] The Wikihounds have an astonishing ability to track the suspicious accounts - they tracked another one of Nichalp's paid editing accouents.[5] The drama prompted the Arbitration Committee to send him an email enquiry about the paid editing concerns. Nichalp's identity was well-known to those who had exposed his paid editing. The personal information that he had posted earlier on his user page and elsewhere on Wikipedia (and social networking sites) had made it easy for Wikihounds to stalk him in real life. Denial was not an option - Nichalp knew the Wikihounds were capable of producing evidence against him. Pleading not guilty would only gather more eyeballs and possibly lead to media attention - that could sabotage his post-college career. Pleading guilty was not an option either - it would lead to the same fate. Nichalp did what he felt was the best option before him. He neither accepted the charge, nor denied it. What happened next was unfortunate for him. Ignoring his 5-year long devotion to the project, the Arbitration Committee took away his bureaucrat, administrator and oversight rights in an unopposed judgment.[6] Realizing that his paid editing accounts may be under survelliance from the Wikihounds, Nichalp abandoned all of them. All of them, except one - the one he had started in April 2009 with the objective of gaining back his admin rights: Wifione. Nichalp carefully crafted his new wiki identity. He devoted this new account to earning money from India's most notorious self-styled management guru. To make sure his paid editing does not appear blatantly obvious, Nichalp (or shall we call him Wifione, now?) engaged in a wide range of edits. Wifione rose up in the wiki-hierarchy and became the administrator. He tried not to appear like a paid editor, but the constant pressure from his client forced him to make constant edits to the pages associated with the client. Anyone looking at his top 50 edits would not fail to notice that much of his work in the article namespace was
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable, independent secondary sources that do so. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources. Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have been published by a reliable secondary source. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable secondary sources. Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or possibly reported to Arb Com. I've alerted Arbcom as a courtesy, however a community assessment is needed in order to determine if there is any credible link to nichalp or any reason for a desysop. -- John Vandenberg ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
Wifione commented on this discussion. He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this edit on WP:No Original Research - he changed trial to trial/litigation in any country and published by any involved party to published/authored by any involved party and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved. Also, the following statements: Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable source. - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussion) The MSN article is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN and others like Yahoo News. A comment about the same Yahoo News article: .. Yahoo link simply shows the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement. - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely looks a bit out of order to me. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable, independent secondary sources that do so. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources. Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have been published by a reliable secondary source. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable secondary sources. Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or possibly reported to Arb Com. I've alerted Arbcom as a courtesy, however a community assessment is needed in order to determine if there is any credible link to nichalp or any reason for a desysop. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
