Re: [WikiEN-l] Italian Wikipedia - probably best discussed on Foundation

2011-10-05 Thread WereSpielChequers
There are reams of postings on this in the Foundation mailing list.

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May I suggest that anyone who wants to follow this one signs up to
Foundation, if only for the current discussion? I'm not trying to squash
discussion here, but if people do discuss it here without reading the posts
by the Italians, by Sue and many others on  Foundation then I suspect a fair
amount will be repetition and explanation of what has been said on
Foundation.

WereSpielChequers


On 5 October 2011 18:48, Rob Schnautz bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote:

 Woah. I just checked it.wikipedia.org because it sounded like a
 hoax...it's
 real. Does the law apply to website providers or to those who contribute to
 the website? If it's the former, you're right; Wikipedia is in Florida. But
 if it's the latter, then Wikipedia is most certainly affected by the law.

 Unfortunate indeed.

 Bob

 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote:

  There have been a bunch of items in my Twitter feed about how the
  Italian Wikipedia has shut down in response to a proposed repressive
  law regarding mandatory takedowns of allegedly defamatory online
  material in Italy.  I have some problems with such a move, as it sets
  a precedent of having a particular language edition of Wikipedia tied
  to an uncomfortable degree with the politics of one country just
  because that's the primary place the language is spoken.  It's always
  been true that the separate editions of Wikipedia are by language,
  not country.  The Chinese Wikipedia keeps operating despite the
  repressive censorship of China, and if that country chooses to block
  it, that's their problem.  English Wikipedia doesn't belong to
  England, or America, or any other English-speaking country, though
  the fact that the primary servers are in the USA does force it to
  comply to U.S. law.
 
  Unless there are servers in Italy, the Italian Wikipedia isn't
  compelled to follow any Italian law, though there could be
  consequences for any Italy-based participants if they don't,
  including the possibility of individuals there being held responsible
  for what they write or fail to take down, or possible mandatory
  blockage of the site in that country if they choose to go the Great
  Firewall route.
 
  I remember the German Wikipedia being affected at one point by a
  court injunction, but that only shut down a redirected .de domain,
  not the site itself as a subdomain of US-registered wikipedia.org.
 
 
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Italian Wikipedia - probably best discussed on Foundation

2011-10-05 Thread Rob Schnautz
facepalm Just kidding; thanks for the link. :)

Bob

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:59 PM, WereSpielChequers 
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are reams of postings on this in the Foundation mailing list.

 foundation-l mailing list
 foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

 May I suggest that anyone who wants to follow this one signs up to
 Foundation, if only for the current discussion? I'm not trying to squash
 discussion here, but if people do discuss it here without reading the posts
 by the Italians, by Sue and many others on  Foundation then I suspect a
 fair
 amount will be repetition and explanation of what has been said on
 Foundation.

 WereSpielChequers


 On 5 October 2011 18:48, Rob Schnautz bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote:

  Woah. I just checked it.wikipedia.org because it sounded like a
  hoax...it's
  real. Does the law apply to website providers or to those who contribute
 to
  the website? If it's the former, you're right; Wikipedia is in Florida.
 But
  if it's the latter, then Wikipedia is most certainly affected by the law.
 
  Unfortunate indeed.
 
  Bob
 
  On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name
 wrote:
 
   There have been a bunch of items in my Twitter feed about how the
   Italian Wikipedia has shut down in response to a proposed repressive
   law regarding mandatory takedowns of allegedly defamatory online
   material in Italy.  I have some problems with such a move, as it sets
   a precedent of having a particular language edition of Wikipedia tied
   to an uncomfortable degree with the politics of one country just
   because that's the primary place the language is spoken.  It's always
   been true that the separate editions of Wikipedia are by language,
   not country.  The Chinese Wikipedia keeps operating despite the
   repressive censorship of China, and if that country chooses to block
   it, that's their problem.  English Wikipedia doesn't belong to
   England, or America, or any other English-speaking country, though
   the fact that the primary servers are in the USA does force it to
   comply to U.S. law.
  
   Unless there are servers in Italy, the Italian Wikipedia isn't
   compelled to follow any Italian law, though there could be
   consequences for any Italy-based participants if they don't,
   including the possibility of individuals there being held responsible
   for what they write or fail to take down, or possible mandatory
   blockage of the site in that country if they choose to go the Great
   Firewall route.
  
   I remember the German Wikipedia being affected at one point by a
   court injunction, but that only shut down a redirected .de domain,
   not the site itself as a subdomain of US-registered wikipedia.org.
  
  
   --
   == Dan ==
   Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/
   Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/
   Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/
  
  
  
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