Re: [WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia
To be clear, John is not an OTRS agent. I believe he was saying that he had checked with people who are agents (multiple sources) but he's not one himself (though he is subscribed to the unblock-en-l mailing list as a former admin). On 8/30/10, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Ive double checked with multiple sources and cross referenced both unblock-en and OTRS (in case you mixed up your emails) and can find no record of a request or email from you to either group. So Unless your using even more sockpuppets than your claiming, (or used an unknown email address, failed to state your IP address, user account or blocking admin. Which is very unlikely) You are full of bullshit. Please stop lying, or admit to all your sock puppets, because with the information that you have provided, the logs for both unblock-en-l and OTRS prove that you did not send or get a message from either group. John As a OTRS member, do you really believe the language you just used in that email as appropriate? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia
Please note that I am not an OTRS agent, and never claimed to be. What I stated, was that I had run several checks for this user across multiple mailing lists, (foundation-l, wikien-l, unblock-en-l, and the OTRS system along with several others just to be through) and that this user (with the information that was provided) was never part of any conversation on said mailing lists. With such a comprehensive cross check (through my own work and checking with others that had access to other lists) I confirmed that Seventy Nine was either lying in their original post or had been using other non-disclosed sock puppets. Had I responded to this users questions as part of either unblock-en-l or as part of the OTRS queue I would have done my best to take a look and review the situation. However once they posted to a public mailing list about their said treatment on one of these lists (and being unable to confirm said treatment) a explanation is needed from the user in question about their activities and about why they are making false claims. John ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia
On 30 August 2010 11:43, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: However once they posted to a public mailing list about their said treatment on one of these lists (and being unable to confirm said treatment) a explanation is needed from the user in question about their activities and about why they are making false claims. I only let it through mod because I was unaware it had been spammed across multiple Wikimedia mailing lists. wikien-l is not the unblock list. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:05 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Ive double checked with multiple sources and cross referenced both unblock-en and OTRS (in case you mixed up your emails) and can find no record of a request or email from you to either group. So Unless your using even more sockpuppets than your claiming, (or used an unknown email address, failed to state your IP address, user account or blocking admin. Which is very unlikely) You are full of bullshit. Please stop lying, or admit to all your sock puppets, because with the information that you have provided, the logs for both unblock-en-l and OTRS prove that you did not send or get a message from either group. John As a OTRS member, do you really believe the language you just used in that email as appropriate? Seriously. It is beyond depressing to be continually reminded that this kind of behavior is still condoned and even expected. I'll be singing off this mailing list shortly. Good luck turning things around. - causa sui ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia
John Doe has been desysopped, or possibly resigned as an administrator. He has not been outcast from the human race. He has minimum responsibilities which he performs in a reasonably competent manner. We are not pure and have no intentions of attempting to become pure. However, as always, John Doe is reminded to be consistently courteous regardless of circumstance. If you feel the rough and tumble of the agora is too much; well, sometimes it is. Fred Bauder On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:05 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Ive double checked with multiple sources and cross referenced both unblock-en and OTRS (in case you mixed up your emails) and can find no record of a request or email from you to either group. So Unless your using even more sockpuppets than your claiming, (or used an unknown email address, failed to state your IP address, user account or blocking admin. Which is very unlikely) You are full of bullshit. Please stop lying, or admit to all your sock puppets, because with the information that you have provided, the logs for both unblock-en-l and OTRS prove that you did not send or get a message from either group. John As a OTRS member, do you really believe the language you just used in that email as appropriate? Seriously. It is beyond depressing to be continually reminded that this kind of behavior is still condoned and even expected. I'll be singing off this mailing list shortly. Good luck turning things around. - causa sui ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia
I wouldn't over-interpret my parting shot. I was on the way out the door anyway. - causa sui On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: John Doe has been desysopped, or possibly resigned as an administrator. He has not been outcast from the human race. He has minimum responsibilities which he performs in a reasonably competent manner. We are not pure and have no intentions of attempting to become pure. However, as always, John Doe is reminded to be consistently courteous regardless of circumstance. If you feel the rough and tumble of the agora is too much; well, sometimes it is. Fred Bauder On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:05 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Ive double checked with multiple sources and cross referenced both unblock-en and OTRS (in case you mixed up your emails) and can find no record of a request or email from you to either group. So Unless your using even more sockpuppets than your claiming, (or used an unknown email address, failed to state your IP address, user account or blocking admin. Which is very unlikely) You are full of bullshit. Please stop lying, or admit to all your sock puppets, because with the information that you have provided, the logs for both unblock-en-l and OTRS prove that you did not send or get a message from either group. John As a OTRS member, do you really believe the language you just used in that email as appropriate? Seriously. It is beyond depressing to be continually reminded that this kind of behavior is still condoned and even expected. I'll be singing off this mailing list shortly. Good luck turning things around. - causa sui ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia
This mailing list is easily googled and and I think words like bullshit just casts a very bad cloud over who we appoint as administrators on the project. Whether or not it was cross posted is not of initial concern, we should be more constructive and direct the user to the appropriate method of responding to a block. It is quite possible that he/she has applied for arbitration through an un-orthadox method. Socks are easy to find and if the sock wants to continue with politically motivated edits then they probably know how to get around the situation. Otherwise, I think we should give the benefit to editors, before describing them as bullshitters. On 30/08/2010, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't over-interpret my parting shot. I was on the way out the door anyway. - causa sui On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: John Doe has been desysopped, or possibly resigned as an administrator. He has not been outcast from the human race. He has minimum responsibilities which he performs in a reasonably competent manner. We are not pure and have no intentions of attempting to become pure. However, as always, John Doe is reminded to be consistently courteous regardless of circumstance. If you feel the rough and tumble of the agora is too much; well, sometimes it is. Fred Bauder On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:05 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Ive double checked with multiple sources and cross referenced both unblock-en and OTRS (in case you mixed up your emails) and can find no record of a request or email from you to either group. So Unless your using even more sockpuppets than your claiming, (or used an unknown email address, failed to state your IP address, user account or blocking admin. Which is very unlikely) You are full of bullshit. Please stop lying, or admit to all your sock puppets, because with the information that you have provided, the logs for both unblock-en-l and OTRS prove that you did not send or get a message from either group. John As a OTRS member, do you really believe the language you just used in that email as appropriate? Seriously. It is beyond depressing to be continually reminded that this kind of behavior is still condoned and even expected. I'll be singing off this mailing list shortly. Good luck turning things around. - causa sui ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia
Hello, I am sending this letter to this mailing list after several failed attempts to address administrators in the Arbitration Committee and the Unblock mailing list. Apparently this is a Kafkaesque story which no one wishes to handle. I have recently started to edit on the English Wikipedia. I wished to remain anonymous, which, to my best knowledge, is legitimate on the English Wikipedia, therefore I contributed under my IP address. Later on, and after several pleas on behalf of other editors, I opened an account. In order to keep my edits under the same attribution, I called the account User:KnownAs-79-181-9-231 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KnownAs-79-181-9-231). My edits on the article Golan Heights were reverted. I was asked to explain them, and so I did, in details, on the Talk Page affiliated with the article. This explanations were contested in a lengthy discussions. Some of the comments were good, and I addressed them. Some, especially from two users whose aliases I won't mention in this message, offered comments which seemed to be politically motivated. One of these users posted questions on my personal Talk Page, which included threats (not real life threats, but threats to act against me within the English Wikipedia editors' community). I refused to answer his personal questions. Then, one morning, and without any previous notice, I found myself banned for being a sock puppet of some editor. The person who submitted the request to ban me (a request which I found after searching many administrative pages), is one of the two aforementioned users who objected my edits. The editor who posted threats on my personal Talk Page second him. The evidences were my edits, which, according to them, resembled the edits of another editor who had been previously banned for one reason or another. Apparently, my ban was sweeping, i.e. I couldn't comment on the allegations against me, nor post a request to overturn the ban. I sent a letter to the Arbitration Committee with copy to the Unblock mailing list. I asked to revoke the ban immediately, as it was based on sheer speculations. The committee can ask me questions if it deemed it necessary, but their first task is to lift a ban which was imposed without due process. I received an outrageous response, suggesting my ban was legitimate until I could prove otherwise. How exactly can I disprove far-fetched speculations? Furthermore, after searching the administrative pages a bit more thoroughly, I found out that the two users who asked my ban, where banned themselves several times for making problematic edits on articles related to Middle East issues. This makes the allegations against me even more peculiar. Thank you very much for your attention. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
