Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:14:00 -0500 From: Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. I'll bet he'll be delicious with BBQ sauce and a side of mashed potatoes and baked beans. Mmm mmm mmm. X-D I suppose that's superior to sacrificing a holy cow. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM, genigeni...@gmail.com wrote: Most people are not going to want to read a book before editing wikipedia. Your problems are: -1) Getting people to realise that it's possible to edit 0) Getting people to want to edit 1)getting people to click the edit link in the first place (polish style tab highlighting may help here) 2)getting them not to give up once they've clicked the edit button (usability project) 3)encouraging them to edit again in future (mostly related to making sure they have a good first experience). ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Keegan Paul wrote: People truly do have no clue about how to edit or the community and how it functions. Actually, I don't think the functionality of the community can be described. Folks are amazed to be told that they can edit willy nilly, make an account and all that. For all our popularity worldwide the vast majority of the consumers have no idea (I realize I'm preaching to the choir) until these news stories invoke interest. So, what to do about it? How to not bite? It's a big topic, obviously, but this book written by a few Wikipedians is probably the best introduction I've found: http://howwikipediaworks.com/ Of course, not everyone will go off and read a book. But, I mean, it's a fairly large community, engaged in a fairly large project (one that's never been attempted at this scale, actually), so some amount of effort to fully understand what's going on is inevitable. What we really want is: a much shorter version of that book, that somehow covers an even larger breadth of information. ;-) It's tricky. I mean, we're not just teaching people about Wikipedia itself when we explain how to edit Wikipedia, but about many other fields of knowledge that they may or may not already have any grounding in, which we've adapted in our practices (and which many of us have learned as we go). The idea of tertiary-source summaries vs. original research; what constitutes original research in various areas; what a neutral tone sounds like; what scholarly citation looks like; how to evaluate the reliability of sources; how to spot surprising claims that need citations; how to write in a sort of fractal summary style; etc. Some of this is slowly seeping out into the wider culture, which may make the acculturation process easier if lots of people coming in already know certain things. The widespread outside-Wikipedia use of [citation needed], often in a way reasonably close to what we usually mean by it, is one example (and actually imo good for knowledge in general--- journalists in particular are increasingly getting the [citation needed] thrown at them when they make questionable-and-unsupported claims). -Mark ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, FT2 wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Google: http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1hl=enq=wikipedia+%22expert+editors%22 Examples: http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=25408Itemid=62 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints-volunteer-editors-vet-changes-articles-living-people.html FT2 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: They seem to think that they are applying for staff. Maybe we need to make it more obvious that there's no staff at Wikipedia, at least for the time being. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
2009/8/28 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Google: http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1hl=enq=wikipedia+%22expert+editors%22 Ah. God bless the Daily Mail and its just make stuff up policy. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? Don't you mean is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this? Carcharoth PS. I pointed out in an earlier thread that this mis-reporting would lead to people thinking new editors are being sought especially for this. It's point 4 in my e-mail of 26 August in the thread titled A sudden thought on the media coverage of flagged revisions. Could someone post to the foundation-l list and get some co-ordination going if are going to see a large influx of new editors to the WMF's largest project asking how can we help? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Don't you mean is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this? Yes, that's exactly what I mean! Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Carcharoth wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? Don't you mean is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this? Carcharoth PS. I pointed out in an earlier thread that this mis-reporting would lead to people thinking new editors are being sought especially for this. It's point 4 in my e-mail of 26 August in the thread titled A sudden thought on the media coverage of flagged revisions. Could someone post to the foundation-l list and get some co-ordination going if are going to see a large influx of new editors to the WMF's largest project asking how can we help? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
FT2 wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles I am actually curious as to where precisely did they pull that particular figure of 20 000 from. It looks awfully specific, like somebody might have actually used that number in some context or another, and the media just completely fumbled at understanding what the number referred to. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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No, I haz no link. By we I meant the Foundation, ticket numbers are available upon private request if you have access to the system. -- Sent from my Palm Pre Carcharoth wrote: Could you link to an example? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Keegan Paullt;kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: ...and they are continuing to roll in. Any more firm ideas? They seem to think that they are applying for staff. I haven't the time to read all reporting, feedback would be great. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Keegan Paul lt;kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else does, please post. It was a good read. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul lt;kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting bitten is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. (Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...) Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an oldbie what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanencimonav...@gmail.com wrote: FT2 wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles I am actually curious as to where precisely did they pull that particular figure of 20 000 from. It looks awfully specific, like somebody might have actually used that number in some context or another, and the media just completely fumbled at understanding what the number referred to. I agree. It looks like a figure for number of core active editors: ...the plan is to draft in our core of active editors, all 20,000 of them, and keep the backlog on flagged revisions down to ensure the delays are minimal... might have become: ...Wikipedia want 20,000 new editors to join... [We do want this, but not with the wrong impressions] I can see how something like that could have happened. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? *pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient. How will that work? Is there, in fact, an influx of newbies going on? Has anyone compiled the numbers for recent days to find out whether newbies are signing up faster than usual and if so by how much? I think it's a good idea to point to such an influx in the Signpost if it actually happening, and to highlight the various pages and recommendations we have for enculturating newbies, but doing so based purely on anecdote and second-hand information... that seems more like Daily Mail than Signpost. -Sage ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:10:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? -- Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. I'll bet he'll be delicious with BBQ sauce and a side of mashed potatoes and baked beans. Mmm mmm mmm. X-D Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:12 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:10:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? -- Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
2009/8/28 Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com: Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. I'll bet he'll be delicious with BBQ sauce and a side of mashed potatoes and baked beans. Mmm mmm mmm. X-D And we can always revert to the previous Jimbo, so lots for everyone! - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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And we can always revert to the previous Jimbo, so lots for everyone! When we are done, we can revert and voila! Wikipedia has food forever! Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:18 PM, David Gerard wrote: 2009/8/28 Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com: Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. I'll bet he'll be delicious with BBQ sauce and a side of mashed potatoes and baked beans. Mmm mmm mmm. X-D And we can always revert to the previous Jimbo, so lots for everyone! - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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In a message dated 8/28/2009 11:20:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: When we are done, we can revert and voila! Wikipedia has food forever! - Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years That would probably keep someone busy for a long time. There must be 25,000 revisions to Lincoln. Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:25 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l This is what I consider to be the exact point for starting this thread. People truly do have no clue about how to edit or the community and how it functions. Actually, I don't think the functionality of the community can be described. Folks are amazed to be told that they can edit willy nilly, make an account and all that. For all our popularity worldwide the vast majority of the consumers have no idea (I realize I'm preaching to the choir) until these news stories invoke interest. So, what to do about it? How to not bite? This that and the other are great questions to mull over. I have no answers myself, Wikipedia just kind of happens. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/8/28 wjhon...@aol.com: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years There's something related that's been floating around for a few years - it's a bit more lighthearted, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless. http://jonudell.net/udell/gems/umlaut/umlaut.html -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
The last book of Wikipedia was too fluffy. I prefer reality. Gritty, in the trenches, kick sand in your face, thumb wrestle to the death! Tabloid style. -Original Message- From: FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity I'm serious. FT2 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:09 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Only if I get to write the Drama chapter. -Original Message- From: FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity I'd be all up for writing a wikibook introduction to Wikipedia. Anyone else interested? :) FT2 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:25 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l This is what I consider to be the exact point for starting this thread. People truly do have no clue about how to edit or the community and how it functions. Actually, I don't think the functionality of the community can be described. Folks are amazed to be told that they can edit willy nilly, make an account and all that. For all our popularity worldwide the vast majority of the consumers have no idea (I realize I'm preaching to the choir) until these news stories invoke interest. So, what to do about it? How to not bite? This that and the other are great questions to mull over. I have no answers myself, Wikipedia just kind of happens. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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I... friggin... love it. And I rarely love anything at all. I mean I don't even love Cheetos, although I like it. But this page you linked is the first time I've ever encountered anyone doing this. It's the wave of the future! I wish I had the technical ability to do it, or the time. I'm like one of those zombies in the Bela Lugosi White Zombie (1932) which I just linked up today (shameless plug shameless plug) Chairpotato's Night at the Movies! http://knol.google.com/k/chair-potato/chairpotatos-night-at-the-movies/hyujx7mco9jp/23 Just look at their faces as they push that grind-stone around and around and around. I'm like that. Only with a whip. W.J. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity 2009/8/28 wjhon...@aol.com: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years There's something related that's been floating around for a few years - it's a bit more lighthearted, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless. http://jonudell.net/udell/gems/umlaut/umlaut.html -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that. -- Sent from my Palm Pre ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Yes. We need all the help we can get! Emily On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:33 PM, kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that. -- Sent from my Palm Pre ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM, kgnp...@gmail.comkgnp...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that. Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? *pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient. How will that work? Emily On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Carcharoth wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM, kgnp...@gmail.comkgnp...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that. Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Can't do anything but help as possible, from whatever forum. These are the folks interested enough to click contact us, so there's certainly more. -- Sent from my Palm Pre Emily Monroe wrote: Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? *pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient. How will that work? Emily On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Carcharoth wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM, kgnp...@gmail.comlt;kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that. Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Can't do anything but help as possible, from whatever forum. Perhaps I'm obsessing a bit, but clearly Signpost would at least run an article about the increase of new users after the news. I would assume you would be on Wikipedia longer, though, so yeah. These are the folks interested enough to click contact us, so there's certainly more. True, true. Emily On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:16 PM, kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: Can't do anything but help as possible, from whatever forum. These are the folks interested enough to click contact us, so there's certainly more. -- Sent from my Palm Pre Emily Monroe wrote: Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? *pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient. How will that work? Emily On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Carcharoth wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM, kgnp...@gmail.comlt;kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that. Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient. How will that work? Nah. We need permanent solutions. Wikipedia is a terrible place for a newcomer. Fortunately the Usability project amongst others is doing something about this. It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting bitten is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. (Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...) Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting bitten is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. (Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...) Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an oldbie what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else does, please post. It was a good read. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting bitten is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. (Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...) Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an oldbie what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
